Fuel Pumps (cutoff)- Richard, if you race on bumpy tracks I would suggest
avoiding the Impact type cutoff switches. My own personal experiences (with
Ford products) is that fuel cutoff happens very early and often times when
there is no real impact. After bottoming out numerous Ford rent cars over
railroad tracks etc, the fuel cutoff would be triggered. This rent a car
suspension bottoming was never anything close to the G/vibration load in an
F5. Maybe other brands are different but you may want to check the
manufacturing specs.
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Today's Topics:
1. RE: Looking for Club race car (edward capullo)
2. Re: FM Autocrosser ALERT! (John Whitling)
3. RE: Electric Fuel Pump Safety (Lindsey, Mark)
4. RE: FM Autocrosser ALERT! (Art)
5. Re: FM Autocrosser ALERT! (John Whitling)
6. RE: FM Autocrosser ALERT! (Art)
From: "edward capullo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [F500] Looking for Club race car
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 10:25:32 -0500
CJ
There are at least two cars on the F500 site under classifieds that meet
your criteria. Of course no one ever removes the cars when they are sold so
I'm not certain they are still available. I know the car I bought back at
the beginning of Feb is still showing as is the Red/White Red Devil down in
FL that was sold when I called back in Dec. Good hunting.
Ed C.
From: CJ McAbee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [F500] Looking for Club race car
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 18:44:38 -0800 (PST)
Ed
I'm looking at spending 3-5K. The car does not have to be race ready.
I would prefer it not to be race ready because whatever I buy will not
look like it when I am done with it. I am sure there are cars out there in
a basket that your wife's would love to get out of the garage. I'm just
looking for one piece of junk to turn in a real stout racecar.
Thanks
CJ
edward capullo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
CJ
What are looking to spend? There are some good cars on the F500 site.
Ed Capullo
>From: CJ McAbee
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: [F500] Looking for Club race car
>Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 20:31:11 -0800 (PST)
>
>I have sold my Dads old 1986 Red Devil solo only car to a guy in
Kentucky.
>So that leaves me racecar less. I'm in the need of a project car or race
>ready car. It really doesn't matter what condition the car is in it just
>needs to have the legal roll bars in it and 80 inch wheelbase. I know
there
>are people out there that have cars out there that just will sit and
never
>get used. So if there is anyone out there that has a car or knows of
>someone that has a car that you have no use for let me know. My plan is
to
>go club racing and see if I cant beat my Dad.
>
> CJ McAbee ( Chuck's son)
> Kansas Region
>
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From: John Whitling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [F500] FM Autocrosser ALERT!
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 11:16:42 -0500
Dave
Scott did not have a co driver in 06, or any other year. In addition, in
06 he tried a radical front tire on the first day, so his first day
times weren't very good. I was pitted right beside him and witnessed it
all. And his second day nats times were pretty good. He was also the
fastest FM car in the test day before nats with his usual tire setup,
and if you know Scott, you know that he reminded us all of that all
week. BTW, the top four cars in the class were two driver cars. It made
a huge difference. I guess solo has now become a "team" sport.
This whole idea of engine changes and limited slips being allowed is
just stupid, IMO. I'm sure Art and Chuck will claim otherwise and beret
me like they have anyone who has posted against these rules have, but do
a simple comparison between existing FF (C mod) rules of 110 hp, no
limited slip, 1100 lbs weight, narrow narrow wheels and cantilevered
tires to those of the new Solo Vee and you get at least 130 hp, limited
slip, weight of 975, and unlimited wheels and tires. It just makes no
sense. Much less so the comparison of the 500 cars with go cart axles
and not even shocks or springs.
I agree with all the chassis stuff for the Vees. That's where the
concentration should be to equalize the field. Just the disc brakes are
going to take 30 lbs of rotating unsprung weight out of the cars and
make them much more neutral handling because they can now balance corner
entry with brakes like we do ... add to that the cambered front ends and
you have significant improvements. Also I agree about the Formula First
chassis. After all it's in the chassis where the two cars are far apart,
not motors. The Vees have never been out powered by the 500s.
It looks like the SEB/MAC just gave all the Vee guys anything that any
one of them asked for. If the SEB/MAC feels that these are good rules
maybe they should share the info they used to base all these changes on
rather than require us to hustle out to Vee engine builders, etc and
start from square one all over again. Instead all we get is a bunch of
crap from them about how we should go do research now and fight these
changes with a letter writing campaign. You would think they wouldn't be
so defensive about this. Certainly Stan didn't treat the road racers
that way last year.
Dave Phaneuf wrote:
> Did Scott have a co-driver in 2006?
> I heard you were screwed without one.
> Maybe tire warming blankets should be
> legal?
> Dave Phaneuf
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From: "Lindsey, Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: [F500] Electric Fuel Pump Safety
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 12:00:51 -0500
My car caught on fire for that very reason. Rear ended in the rain and
it broke off a carb, cut the fuel line and broke the main kill switch.
Fuel dumped on the belly pan and then a cut battery cable wire provided
the spark. It made for an interesting few moments. We finally had to
cut the fuel line wire and hose the car down to wash the fuel away.
There are no rules against running a separate cut off circuit as ling as
the master works. You can also by inertia cut off switches in most race
shop catalogs.
Mark S. Lindsey, AIA
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-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 11:08 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [F500] Electric Fuel Pump Safety
I have been thinking that I should have some type of safety shut-off on
my
electric fuel pump. Yes I know that it will be turned off when the
master
switch is turned off, but until that happens, the pump will be running.
My concern is what happens when there is an incident and the fuel line
between the pump and engine becomes disconnected. I would not want
fuel
being sprayed around in the engine compartment with all the hot parts in
there. On the engines using pulse pumps, when the engine stops, so does
the
pump, but with electric, the pump will just keep going even with the
engine
stopped.
I am making an assumption here that the car has suffered damage to the
rear,
and the driver is not in full possession of his extremities right after.
If
the driver can not turn off the engine switch, even if the engine has
stopped, fuel could be being pumped into the engine compartment. Corner
workers may not be able to reach the car immediately, (car is on
opposite
side of track with cars going by).
Has anyone else thought about this much ? If so, have you come up with
a
solution ? I know that Pegasus has a $64 dollar solution.
Richard
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From: "Art" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: [F500] FM Autocrosser ALERT!
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 12:06:59 -0500
John,
Chuck and I are not berating you, we are just challenging your posts
concerning outlandish claims of 145 HP Solo Vees and now, the added claim
of
a 30# rotating unsprung weight savings if they go to discs. John, you
really
need to check your facts. Discs will add weight, not reduce it. VW drums
are
very small and light. Any VW vendor can supply that information as can any
VW engine builder supply the needed information on engine performance with
the mods we have suggested. If you want that information, we feel it best
that you do your own research because it is obvious that you don't/won't
believe anything we tell you anyway.
So John, we are comfortable with the information we have gathered but the
only way you will be comfortable is to check it out yourself :-).
>You would think they wouldn't be so defensive about this.
What, you want us to ignore outlandish bogus information based upon, I can
only guess, emotion and not facts? :-) I don't think so.
Art
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John
Whitling
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 11:17 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [F500] FM Autocrosser ALERT!
Dave
Scott did not have a co driver in 06, or any other year. In addition, in
06 he tried a radical front tire on the first day, so his first day times
weren't very good. I was pitted right beside him and witnessed it all. And
his second day nats times were pretty good. He was also the fastest FM car
in the test day before nats with his usual tire setup, and if you know
Scott, you know that he reminded us all of that all week. BTW, the top
four
cars in the class were two driver cars. It made a huge difference. I guess
solo has now become a "team" sport.
This whole idea of engine changes and limited slips being allowed is just
stupid, IMO. I'm sure Art and Chuck will claim otherwise and beret me like
they have anyone who has posted against these rules have, but do a simple
comparison between existing FF (C mod) rules of 110 hp, no limited slip,
1100 lbs weight, narrow narrow wheels and cantilevered tires to those of
the
new Solo Vee and you get at least 130 hp, limited slip, weight of 975, and
unlimited wheels and tires. It just makes no sense. Much less so the
comparison of the 500 cars with go cart axles and not even shocks or
springs.
I agree with all the chassis stuff for the Vees. That's where the
concentration should be to equalize the field. Just the disc brakes are
going to take 30 lbs of rotating unsprung weight out of the cars and make
them much more neutral handling because they can now balance corner entry
with brakes like we do ... add to that the cambered front ends and you have
significant improvements. Also I agree about the Formula First chassis.
After all it's in the chassis where the two cars are far apart, not motors.
The Vees have never been out powered by the 500s.
It looks like the SEB/MAC just gave all the Vee guys anything that any one
of them asked for. If the SEB/MAC feels that these are good rules maybe
they
should share the info they used to base all these changes on rather than
require us to hustle out to Vee engine builders, etc and start from square
one all over again. Instead all we get is a bunch of crap from them about
how we should go do research now and fight these changes with a letter
writing campaign. You would think they wouldn't be so defensive about this.
Certainly Stan didn't treat the road racers that way last year.
Dave Phaneuf wrote:
> Did Scott have a co-driver in 2006?
> I heard you were screwed without one.
> Maybe tire warming blankets should be
> legal?
> Dave Phaneuf
[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name
of
From: John Whitling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [F500] FM Autocrosser ALERT!
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 12:25:46 -0500
Art
The existing drums and backing plates are over 17 lbs a corner right
now. Go to this link and you'll see a hub, disc, caliper assy that
weighs 9 lbs.
http://www.cncbrakes.com/cncbrakes.com-asp//dbk.asp?grp=dbk&subgrp=r&series=645&subseries
Glad to see you guys have thoroughly looked into the consequences ..
Art wrote:
>John,
>
>Chuck and I are not berating you, we are just challenging your posts
>concerning outlandish claims of 145 HP Solo Vees and now, the added claim
of
>a 30# rotating unsprung weight savings if they go to discs. John, you
really
>need to check your facts. Discs will add weight, not reduce it. VW drums
are
>very small and light. Any VW vendor can supply that information as can
any
>VW engine builder supply the needed information on engine performance
with
>the mods we have suggested. If you want that information, we feel it best
>that you do your own research because it is obvious that you don't/won't
>believe anything we tell you anyway.
>
>So John, we are comfortable with the information we have gathered but the
>only way you will be comfortable is to check it out yourself :-).
>
>
>
>>You would think they wouldn't be so defensive about this.
>>
>>
>
>What, you want us to ignore outlandish bogus information based upon, I
can
>only guess, emotion and not facts? :-) I don't think so.
>
>Art
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John
>Whitling
>Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 11:17 AM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [F500] FM Autocrosser ALERT!
>
>Dave
>Scott did not have a co driver in 06, or any other year. In addition, in
>06 he tried a radical front tire on the first day, so his first day times
>weren't very good. I was pitted right beside him and witnessed it all.
And
>his second day nats times were pretty good. He was also the fastest FM
car
>in the test day before nats with his usual tire setup, and if you know
>Scott, you know that he reminded us all of that all week. BTW, the top
four
>cars in the class were two driver cars. It made a huge difference. I
guess
>solo has now become a "team" sport.
>
>This whole idea of engine changes and limited slips being allowed is just
>stupid, IMO. I'm sure Art and Chuck will claim otherwise and beret me
like
>they have anyone who has posted against these rules have, but do a simple
>comparison between existing FF (C mod) rules of 110 hp, no limited slip,
>1100 lbs weight, narrow narrow wheels and cantilevered tires to those of
the
>new Solo Vee and you get at least 130 hp, limited slip, weight of 975,
and
>unlimited wheels and tires. It just makes no sense. Much less so the
>comparison of the 500 cars with go cart axles and not even shocks or
>springs.
>
>I agree with all the chassis stuff for the Vees. That's where the
>concentration should be to equalize the field. Just the disc brakes are
>going to take 30 lbs of rotating unsprung weight out of the cars and make
>them much more neutral handling because they can now balance corner entry
>with brakes like we do ... add to that the cambered front ends and you
have
>significant improvements. Also I agree about the Formula First chassis.
>After all it's in the chassis where the two cars are far apart, not
motors.
>The Vees have never been out powered by the 500s.
>
>It looks like the SEB/MAC just gave all the Vee guys anything that any
one
>of them asked for. If the SEB/MAC feels that these are good rules maybe
they
>should share the info they used to base all these changes on rather than
>require us to hustle out to Vee engine builders, etc and start from
square
>one all over again. Instead all we get is a bunch of crap from them about
>how we should go do research now and fight these changes with a letter
>writing campaign. You would think they wouldn't be so defensive about
this.
>Certainly Stan didn't treat the road racers that way last year.
>
>Dave Phaneuf wrote:
>
>
>
>>Did Scott have a co-driver in 2006?
>>I heard you were screwed without one.
>>Maybe tire warming blankets should be
>>legal?
>>Dave Phaneuf
>>
>>
>
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From: "Art" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: [F500] FM Autocrosser ALERT!
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 12:45:33 -0500
John,
That setup uses steel rotors. Check out D.3.5 which requires cast iron
rotors.
Glad you have studied the proposal.....
Art
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John
Whitling
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 12:26 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [F500] FM Autocrosser ALERT!
Art
The existing drums and backing plates are over 17 lbs a corner right now.
Go
to this link and you'll see a hub, disc, caliper assy that weighs 9 lbs.
http://www.cncbrakes.com/cncbrakes.com-asp//dbk.asp?grp=dbk&subgrp=r&series=
645&subseries
Glad to see you guys have thoroughly looked into the consequences ..
Art wrote:
>John,
>
>Chuck and I are not berating you, we are just challenging your posts
>concerning outlandish claims of 145 HP Solo Vees and now, the added
>claim of a 30# rotating unsprung weight savings if they go to discs.
>John, you really need to check your facts. Discs will add weight, not
>reduce it. VW drums are very small and light. Any VW vendor can supply
>that information as can any VW engine builder supply the needed
>information on engine performance with the mods we have suggested. If
>you want that information, we feel it best that you do your own
>research because it is obvious that you don't/won't believe anything we
tell you anyway.
>
>So John, we are comfortable with the information we have gathered but
>the only way you will be comfortable is to check it out yourself :-).
>
>
>
>>You would think they wouldn't be so defensive about this.
>>
>>
>
>What, you want us to ignore outlandish bogus information based upon, I
>can only guess, emotion and not facts? :-) I don't think so.
>
>Art
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
>John Whitling
>Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 11:17 AM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [F500] FM Autocrosser ALERT!
>
>Dave
>Scott did not have a co driver in 06, or any other year. In addition,
>in
>06 he tried a radical front tire on the first day, so his first day
>times weren't very good. I was pitted right beside him and witnessed it
>all. And his second day nats times were pretty good. He was also the
>fastest FM car in the test day before nats with his usual tire setup,
>and if you know Scott, you know that he reminded us all of that all
>week. BTW, the top four cars in the class were two driver cars. It
>made a huge difference. I guess solo has now become a "team" sport.
>
>This whole idea of engine changes and limited slips being allowed is
>just stupid, IMO. I'm sure Art and Chuck will claim otherwise and beret
>me like they have anyone who has posted against these rules have, but
>do a simple comparison between existing FF (C mod) rules of 110 hp, no
>limited slip, 1100 lbs weight, narrow narrow wheels and cantilevered
>tires to those of the new Solo Vee and you get at least 130 hp, limited
>slip, weight of 975, and unlimited wheels and tires. It just makes no
>sense. Much less so the comparison of the 500 cars with go cart axles
>and not even shocks or springs.
>
>I agree with all the chassis stuff for the Vees. That's where the
>concentration should be to equalize the field. Just the disc brakes are
>going to take 30 lbs of rotating unsprung weight out of the cars and
>make them much more neutral handling because they can now balance
>corner entry with brakes like we do ... add to that the cambered front
>ends and you have significant improvements. Also I agree about the
Formula
First chassis.
>After all it's in the chassis where the two cars are far apart, not
motors.
>The Vees have never been out powered by the 500s.
>
>It looks like the SEB/MAC just gave all the Vee guys anything that any
>one of them asked for. If the SEB/MAC feels that these are good rules
>maybe they should share the info they used to base all these changes on
>rather than require us to hustle out to Vee engine builders, etc and
>start from square one all over again. Instead all we get is a bunch of
>crap from them about how we should go do research now and fight these
>changes with a letter writing campaign. You would think they wouldn't be
so
defensive about this.
>Certainly Stan didn't treat the road racers that way last year.
>
>Dave Phaneuf wrote:
>
>
>
>>Did Scott have a co-driver in 2006?
>>I heard you were screwed without one.
>>Maybe tire warming blankets should be
>>legal?
>>Dave Phaneuf
>>
>>
>
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