The F1000 also has a $32,995 sticker, and that's a roller..... CR Chuck Voboril <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Careful with the 13"s, the 10's are cheaper now than 13's and will probably stay that way since I have not heard of any eventual radial replacement of 10's as there is planned for 13's.
20.5x7x13 and 22x8.2x13 radials are being tested further this year by Hoosier (FA sizes already released) and GY plans to replace almost all 13" bias plies with radials also. BTW, Isn't FF1600 also considering a 600cc or similar MC unit as a compatible alternative to the Ford 1600? What happened to that? I looked at a Phoenix F1000 today having its wheels aligned -that's a car I would like to be in if I were a young lion. Not too expensive to run, hopefully. By the rules, it has a stock internal R1 motor (except for the drysump, which is allowed). There doesn't look like any more fiberglass or CF, not any more frame tubes to notch and weld in the construction. It has F1 styling like the Stohr. The F500 sidepods will keep F500/600 looking...well, F500/600 and a bit safer in close combat. A good thing for those aggressive young drivers :-> -so what's the actual difference from a F500 with a stock bike motor to a F1000 with a stock bike motor like the Phoenix? The F1000 has: Shocks and coil springs 13" wheels IRS Wings Less sidepod Underside aero allowances appear to be effectively the same as they are F500. Chuck >From: Chris Reinhardt >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: RE: [F500] F500/F600 Proposal >Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 19:40:03 -0700 (PDT) > > Yes it got through, can Jim send it to eformulacar??? > >CR > >John Walbran wrote: -----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 2:15 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: [F500] F500/F600 Proposal > > >I am not sure whether or not this e mail is getting through to the class so >I will send it again. If you have already recd it I apologize for the >duplicate. > > >In regards to the survivial and growth of the F500 class some major changes >have to occur. I agree it should be a 600cc motorcycle engine with 6 speed >sequential gearbox. I agree with Jack Walbran that the dyno work should be >done so as the speed performance is in line with where we are now with the >493/494 if not a little stronger. Clints 493 is running down top run off >Fords in a straight line. I would also like to see a spec shock spring and >I >would take Jacks suggestion one step further and allow 13" wheels. This >would >bring the Goodyear compounds back into play. The cars need to look larger >to >be more appealing to bring in new drivers, and some of us are growing >sideways >and need some more room. All of the larger Formula cars, FSCCA , F1000, FC >are >all in the $50,000.00 range. We need a car that is not much more than what >we >are paying now with no wings as an affordable entry level car and still be >the >best bang for the buck. Our Invaders were over $20,000.00. Of the 7 Mike >sold, 6 were to us. 5 are for sale now and I am not getting any calls which >is >why we are having this discussion. There is no interest from new drivers. >There was a lot of talk on Apex concerning the F1000 because the cost >immediately went too high and eliminated lots of prospective buyers thus >the >need for an affordable wingless formula car. Our present manufacturers >without >too many changes could make these changes and do it affordable. A 600cc >Honda >will fit in the Invader with only changing the rear shock location. 13" >wheels >and tires are only 1 or 2 inches more in overall circumference to our 19" >tire. > >Having been active in this class since 1989, even though it is the biggest >bang >for the buck, it has not drawn enough new participants to keep the class >alive >and the reasons for that, as I stated above, the cars are a little too >small, >you cannot shift them and they are extremely high maintenance vehicles. We >work on them constantly while at the track. I have been asked thousands of >times, why are you guys always working on your cars? A massed produced >motorcycle engine, transmission chain drive to a solid axle would make it a >lot >less tedious during the weekends, maybe we would even make it to the social >for >a cold one. > >Going along the F1000 rules, any 600cc motorcycle engine can be used in >stock >configuration with limited modifications, to the oil pan for clearance >purposes >and an open air intake system. I agree the dry sump system is the best but >I >presently have a Dsports with a modified oil pan for wet sump and he has >run >it >for 2 years with no problem and just received brand new Stohr F1000 with a >Billet oil pan wet sump also. > >Right now you can only buy Formula Vee or Formula 500 for under $20,000.00. >Formula Fords are over $30,000.00 and we go faster than most of them and >then >you jump up to the $50,000.00 range. If we could get a car as fast as the >top >F500 guys are running, which is faster than most of the Fords this packaged >with a low cost mass produced motorcycle motor, the option of a paddle >shifter and no CVT to work on you would attract a lot of newcomers who >cannot >afford $50,000.00 for what is available now. > >Projecting out a few years I see only these Formula Classes at the runoffs, >Formula Vee, this new class F5/6?, F1000, Formula SCCA, FC and FA. Without >some major changes you will be racing against 1, 2 possibly 3 other guys at >regional events only. I have always been a strong supporter of this class >but >there is no fun in it when you are only racing one other person. At our >first >2 winter nationals we had 3 starters at Sebring and 4 starters at >Homestead. >These numbers speak for themselves. At our first regional at Sebring there >were only 3 F500s, 2 of which were Dolphins. The 3 F500s out qualified the >Spec Racers but they split started them because there were 45 of them so >they >put us in the back with the 6 Formula Vees. The spec racers are doing >something right. These cars are over $30,000.00 and are a lot slower than >ours >but continue to attract new people. All they do is gas and go all weekend. >For $30,000.00 I would rather be driving an F600. And by the way, the young >driver who works with us , Matt Strand, did pass all 45 of the Spec Racers >to >get the overall win in just his second race. > >As for advertising we have advertised heavily in print as well as e >magazine >s >and got little response from the karters. They were not interested in F500 >once they turned 16. If they could afford it they went into wings and >things >not 500s. All this being said does not end what is presently in place. If >those who want to run what we have now 493/494 CVT thats ok too, but lets >try >something new. The present package only appeals to a few. We need to >attract >new drivers. And remember, nothing changes if nothing changes. > >P.S. Check out www.formulajedi.com its a F600 class in the U.K. > >Jim Elder >Dolphin Motorsports > > > >--------------------------------- >Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut. --------------------------------- Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. ________________________________ FormulaCar Magazine - A Proud Supporter of Formula 500 The Official Publication of Junior Formula Car Racing Subscribe Today! www.formulacarmag.com or 519-624-2003 _________________________________ _______________________________________________ F500 mailing list - [email protected] To unsubscribe or change options please visit: http://f500.org/mailman/listinfo/f500 *** Please, DO NOT send unsubscribe requests to the mailing list! ***
