Perhaps you might want to make a set for me when we know what really fits. Thanks ... Jay Novak
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chris Reinhardt Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 10:05 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [F500] 600cc power Jay, I tried the S&S Header route with my CBR600RR, they were a bad fit, and poor quality=cheap price. Also, they sat too low, forcing me to make the engine sit up higher. I'm a pipe welder, and I specialize in santary purged stainless food grade, no problem, I'll make them myself. I just wouldn't trash the packing... CR Jay Novak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Check this link out Cory. It shows all the HP of many of the current production bikes. http://www.sportrider.com/bikes/046_0607_middleweights_dyno_testing/ Also please remember that these charts are for rear wheel HP. When put into a car they will loose another 5 hp (approx) due to the additional tire. I expect that these engines will make 10 hp or so more than your top F500 engine. However they will not have the advantage of a properly tuned CVT (which is great, BTW). In the end the only way to tell what things are all about is to track test. I really expect that they will be very close to the top cars with the right drivers in both cars. We will find out in a couple of months. PS: I ordered a set of right side headers for a Mini-sprint today from S&S headers as well as one of their all aluminum mufflers. Total cost: Headers - $224 Muffler - $159 Total - $383 See what the top pipe & manifold for a Rotax costs. By the way I am going to post this on the Formula Car eforum Thanks ... Jay Novak -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Cory McLeod Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 3:42 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [F500] 600cc Time Line -& Concern Jay, Thanks for the response. Wasn't a test of 600cc bikes just published in Bike News (or something like that) that showed they were all making around 120 hp? Cory Jay Novak wrote: Good question Cory. If the car has that kind of power (I really do not think so) we would probably have to make adjustments to the package. I think the best solution is to reduce the HP if necessary. How this is best achieved, in my opinion, it to restrict the inlets of the engine with a single inlet restrictor or a throttle body orifice in each throttle body. I suspect that the throttle body orifice is the simpler solution as there are 2 mini-sprint sanctioning bodies that do that right now. The other alternative is to increase weight but in my opinion this is counter productive & will produce cars that are quicker in different places on the track. Thanks ... Jay Novak -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Cory McLeod Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 10:58 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [F500] 600cc Time Line -& Concern Jay, Based on the quality and success of your previous designs, I'm sure you have a fully thought out plan for the F600 concept. With a target weight of 825 and a 120 hp engine, there will need to be some serious performance adjustments to truly make this an alternative (no all caps needed) to the current cars, rather than obsoleting them. What adjustments do you think would make sense to the package or our existing cars? Cory Jay Novak wrote: Hi Chris. We will be doing testing & demonstrations of the concept at between 825 & 850 lbs. It is my goal to define if the alternative engine concept has merit. I will be putting as many current F500 drivers in the car that I can on Friday test days. If we race it it will be as an FS, but just tons of test day miles wherever we can. Thanks ... Jay Novak -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chris Reinhardt Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:02 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [F500] 600cc Time Line -& Concern Was that a yes or a no??? ;) CR Jay Novak wrote: Just estimating the weight. Thanks ... Jay Novak -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chris Reinhardt Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 9:24 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [F500] 600cc Time Line -& Concern Jay, I guess you don't plan on running FS??? CR Jay Novak wrote: I predict that our Rakavon with the GSXR600 will weigh 825 lbs with the driver. Thanks ... Jay Novak -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chris Reinhardt Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [F500] 600cc Time Line -& Concern If was running a 493 and I was 250# that would be 120# more than my normal weight of 180# and a 494 min weight. Not optimal, but doable... CR Chuck Voboril wrote: Chris- 50 to 150 pounds extra is something to think about. You are in for a little retuning of the suspension. Bigger brakes and more tire wouldn't hurt either. Jay plopped his new GSXR600 into his chassis and said something like "Hmm, I think I need shocks" in one of his posts. Chuck >From: Chris Reinhardt >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [F500] 600cc Time Line -& Concern >Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 16:18:10 -0700 (PDT) > > Here's the deal Chuck, probably for the 15th time.... > I'm keeping the car as much a F500 as possible for a number of reasons. > I don't think you can add any more brake in the car with 10" wheels, if >I change to 13" wheels, it will put the addition strain on the chassis that >you speak of. > Min weight with the 493 is what? 850# with driver? If the 600 powered >car gets a 100# handicap that's 900#, not too far off.... > > CR > >Chuck Voboril wrote: > Chris , as you break things or continually get outbraked into the >corners >then those other things will have to change. > >But build it and have a good time. The snow will leave soon-time to get >out to the garage > >Just letting you know what the min weight is. > > >Chuck > > > > > > >From: Chris Reinhardt > >Reply-To: [email protected] > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: Re: [F500] 600cc Time Line -& Concern > >Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 10:15:15 -0700 (PDT) > > > > Chuck, all those parts are the same..so far, so the additional weight of > >the motor, and a hunk of lead in the nose will have to surfice... > > > > CR > > > >Chuck Voboril wrote: > > Chris, you will indeed be one up on the crowd if you get your chassis > >developed by running in FS now. > > > >The min weight for FS is 750# without driver. > >That's about 950# with the average 200# driver. > > > >That should allow you to incorporate all the extra strengthening needed >in > >the chassis to accommodate the larger motor weight and HP/torque, larger > >axles, larger uprights, and larger brakes. > > > >Chuck > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Chris Reinhardt > > >Reply-To: [email protected] > > >To: [email protected] > > >Subject: Re: [F500] 600cc Time Line -& Concern > > >Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:06:32 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > I myself plan reguardless to get the car homologated as both F5 and >FS. > > >When and if the 600 gets the green light, I'll be ready, at least >partly, > > >because I'm sure there will be other changes that will need to be > >done..... > > > Since FS is the only place we can play for the time being, I would > > >sugest anybody else that's thinking about it, to do the same so we can > >all > > >play together... > > > > > > CR > > > > > >Steven Dodd wrote: > > > To all the two stroke fans (myself included) and to those who may >think > > >that this whole four stroke movement will put an end to our > >fun......Well, > > >I > > >was reminded by a very neutral party today that even if this ever gets > > >done, > > >we won't see this in the GCR before 2009. > > >So we won't see any big number of cars fielded before 2010. 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