On Mar 17, 2005, at 10:27 PM, at_man_and_brahman wrote:

> I believe that you could get MIU PhDs
> in MSV in a room with Indologists and
> have virtually no commonality of language
> or concepts.
>
> Hand one of Sunthar's writings to the average
> MIU/MUM student, and he or she will feel
> pretty lost pretty fast.

I think you're exactly correct. It's interesting, I can locate almost 
every concept MMY utters in a specific text--often tantras of anuttara 
class. The exposition on the word "agni"--all from a text. The 
"gap"--very common in Trika literature. The "seven states of 
consciousness"--yet another text. And on and on. It's really disgusting 
the way they divvy out their alleged "knowledge" as if it was all 
uttered or "cognized" by MMY. They're not. They all come from standard 
texts, although some--like the exposition on agni, are quite obscure.

In short, they hide the texts--the primary source material. A good 
Indologist should know these things. MMY's "Vedic Science" is a closed 
loop--"self referral"--meaning in this case it only refers to its own 
"pure" system. What a scam.

Basically a TMO trained "Vedic scholar" would only be acceptable one 
place: in or around the TMO.

> Again, who at MIU/MUM has heard of
> Abhinavagupta? Maharishi doesn't talk
> about him, so he's off the radar.

Oh he is talked of--but never given the credit. The Trika forms the 
basis of the use of mantra, esp. the sandhi,  the "gap". A lot of what 
MMY says is straight from him (and that tradition), but people believe 
it is MMY's words.

-Vaj




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