Fresh comments below: Tom Traynor wrote: > [Brahman consciousness] is not an experience, > it is an understanding that needs no Master. > The understanding is complete in an of itself. > No Master needed as the knowledge in the > understanding is complete in and of itself. > Absolute self-verification which is the hallmark > of this understanding, as it is beyond experience. Patrick Gilliam Writes: Tom, I understood the awakening you describe to be disorienting, necessitating a mahavakya or confirmation from a master. Are you saying (a) Brahman never requires a master's confirmation, (b) Brahmin only requires a master's confirmation sometimes, or (c) some other thing?
Tom T again: Hanging around awake people seems to help get the understanding cooking but bottom line they will get it by themselves anyway. One lady in our group described it as follows: I was infinite mind and I was looking at my finite mind and I knew that my finite mind was never going to understand what had happened in a million years. That is the paradox that is the hallmark of this understanding. Nothing has changed and yet everything has changed. It is a one degree shift but it is now an understanding from the vantage point of Self understanding Self and little self is still where it has always been wondering "What Happened?". Having a Master around is going to help this understanding flower easier but I don't view it as absolutely essential. On the other hand for some that may be the only way it is going to happen. There are no hard rules in a world of 6 billion possibilities. Go find some awake people and hang out with them and see what happens. Tom To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
