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[email protected], "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Much more comments below:
> Tom T
> > I was infinite mind and I
> > was looking at my finite mind and I knew that my finite mind was
> >never going to understand what had happened in a million years.  
That
> >is the paradox that is the hallmark of this understanding. Nothing
> >has changed and yet everything has changed.
> 
> Vaj
> Perfect description of turiyatita/CC !
> 
> crukstrom wrote:
> > When do they become one?
> Vaj:
> In the Vedantic model, in Brahmi chetana.
> 
> Tom T:
> It appears we have a slight communication problem so I will try and
> make myself clearer. In my comment above when the lady commented on
> her experience of Infinite Mind, she never said she witnessed that 
she
> was Infinite mind. To my understanding witnessing is the primary 
means
> of knowing one is in CC. One witnesses all things happening from an
> undisturbed state. She did not say she witnessed, she said quite
> clearly and maybe I didn't make it clear that she knew she was
> infinite mind. Knowing is not witnessing. Knowing is having them 
one
> in her understanding which seems to fulfill your definition of 
Brahman
> above. She was Infinite mind in which finite mind also existed as 
part
> of her wholeness both being available and both making up the entire
> wholeness she is. The understanding this experience is wholeness 
is a
> major criteria of the reality of Brahman.  Inside this wholeness
> resides all creation. Tom T

This is a good distinction. Knowing is different than thinking. 
Minds think, something else knows.

Rick Carlstrom





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