--- In [email protected], Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- crukstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Peter Sutphen > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > --- crukstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Vaj > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 21, 2005, at 1:40 PM, Paul Mason wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > And then, as the years passed, MMY's tongue > > > > became completely > > > > > > unbridled. Which is why it is becoming more > > and > > > > more evident > > > > that he > > > > > > doesn't really realise that much. > > > > > > > > > > The only evidence I ever heard of MMY, which > > > > seemed to verify that > > > > he > > > > > was in CC, was John Gray's testimony that he > > would > > > > dictate to MMY > > > > while > > > > > his body was asleep and snoring. This would > > seem > > > > to verify the > > > > > classical description of CC. In this sense, > > CC, is > > > > very verifiable > > > > > (e.g. the Menninger Institute). > > > > > > > > > > > > That would be pretty convincing. > > > > > > Why? The mind stops working in sleep. > > Consciousness > > > and the mind are to separate things entirely. > > > -Peter > > > > > > > That's right. When the body goes to sleep the body > > mind stops > > working, but when awareness of or as being is not > > overshadowed by > > identification as the body, then, when the body > > sleeps...awareness > > continues. For those who may ask what it is that is > > aware, just > > substitute knowing for awareness and Being for 'it'. > > Being knows. > > When the body awakes then thinking with the body > > mind can continue. > > If people think that pure consciousness has anything > to do with awareness of specific objects,they are > completely wrong. To think that "witnessing" of sleep > means that you have consciousness, through the gross > senses, of what is occuring around the body when you > sleep means you don't understand sleep and witnessing. > -Peter
Didn't say that one has consciousness through the gross senses while asleep. I said that when awareness as or of Being is not overshadowed by identification with the body, then when the body sleeps, awareness continues. I did not say that in sleep the personality is saying "hey!, look at this I'm sleeping and I am aware of it". I said awareness continues. Isn't the progression or evolution or growth of the body bound experience of awareness the expansion of this awareness? If everything is Being, if everything truly is just a manifestation of Being then the individual is also Being. So individual growth of awareness is Being waking up to it's true nature. In the "beginning" Being expressed as an individual is aware only 'as' an individual, awareness expanding becomes aware 'of' Being and this awareness of Being progresses until ultimately individual Being is only aware as Being and the return to wholeness is complete. P. 151 MMY Gita Commentary "The word 'when' is very important. It indicates that one is said to be of 'steady intellect' only when one has gained transcendental consciousness, the state of separation from activity; or when one has gained cosmic consciousness, the state where one naturally maintains Self-consciousness even together with consciousness of the waking, dreaming or sleeping states, and where the Self, or Being, remains unshadowed by any experience whatsoever." So I say that if ones most simple awareness, that I would say is present in everyone reading this, seems to be "turned off" throughout the period when the body is asleep, then the ability to maintain Self-consciousness or Being has been overshadowed by the body sleeping. It wasn't continuous through waking, dreaming or sleeping states. Is Being not omnipresent? Isn't waking up, the process of never losing awareness of Being until absolutely nothing can overshadow Self? Rick Carlstrom To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
