Tom T comments interspersed Tom T Snipped: The understanding this experience is wholeness is a > major criteria of the reality of Brahman. Inside this wholeness > resides all creation. Vaj writes: I listened to her--I assume it's the same women--she described the dawning of the state (Rick will remember if she was there when I was)--and I got then that she was describing CC. From my perspective, "infinite mind" is "mahat". Tom T responds: Well I can't remember and we do have about 6 awake ladies present so I am not sure which was present when you called in. Vaj continues: I did have the sense that she was wakeful (of course it would be impossible for me to say whether that was permanent of not). Tom T: Yes Vaj writes: I'm not sure why everyone is all the sudden talking of UC/BC. I'm just not getting that. Tom T : Why not talk about it if it is happening? After all it has only been 35 years or so for most of the folks in FF. Just because it doesn't fit your criteria does not mean that it is not happening big time in this little town. Vaj: "Knowing" will always presume a "Knower" and some medium in between. But this could be a semantic misunderstanding on my part. Tom T: When the Knowing is Known by the ultimate Knower there is no where left to go. This is the one and only Knower knowing its creation through its own Self. From the totality of creation to point value it is all Knower and Knower can know through the totality and the point value simutaneously. All the ocean in a drop. Same. Vah I think "witnessing" may be a bad term in this case and that's the sticker. Lastly, what disturbs me is that it doesn't all appear new. It's a nice and convincing rearrangement of all the old TM buzzwords. There's little new. I expect the description to be as fresh and new as anything could be. But it's presented in the jargon and conditioned wording of TM. Why is it not fresh and new? Tom T: Why reinvent a vocabulary when we have a common one that we all know and we all have the same definition for all the words so there is no misunderstanding. The key word here is EXPECT. Well it ain't what you expect it is, but what it is. In person it is always fresh and new. It is the ever present moment moving on and being entirely new with each word. Vaj writes: I can feel whole or wholeness but it does not seem like Grand Unification to me (to use TM jargon). Does *she* feel she is in BC? Or do others feel she is in BC? I did find her very convincing and "right on". Tom T: Since you missed her unfolding I can only synopsize it by saying she had been unfolding for months and the night you tuned in was after she had the full understanding of what had transpired. She is very aware of the silence that is underneath every thing and also the nothing that seems to appear under that. She also has had the transformation of understanding that this apparent nothingness is also at the same time everything and I think is just a tad beyond what you have been quoting from scripture. That is also my experience just so there is no confusion. The apparent emptiness of nothing beyond all the steps actually is ultimately know to be everything. Again, that is my experience. Tom T
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