Very nicely conveyed! <applause>
On Apr 1, 2005, at 2:44 PM, Peter Sutphen wrote: > Yes, of course there is a "reality of the subject > and object" within the phenomenological context of > waking state prior to liberation. Within the > phenomenological context of liberation, they don't > exist. What I'm critiquing is the possible > misapprehension of a phenomenological description of > liberation as a method or means to achieve such > liberation. Within waking state there is dualism. This > is the phenomenological reality. Teachings function > within the context of this dualism to transcend the > dualism. Dualistic teaching are useful fictions that > stop serving a purpose once liberation is realized. Of > course there is no personal enlightenment. But when > there is a subject or personal self, as there is in > waking state prior to liberation, enlightenment is > understood in terms of the value such a condition will > have for "me." It is impossible to understand it any > other way. So one engages in a sadhana to bring about > liberation. It's all "me, me, me." If the sadhana is > effective it finally transcends itself and then the > fiction of "me" is rather obvious. But the starting > point for liberation is ignorance. And in this > ignorance is an individual me that strives to become > liberated. It is only after liberation that the > fiction of "me" and any "effort of me" is clearly seen > as absurdly false. > That being said, I believe that there are > thousands of people within the TM community that have > been "techniqueing" for 20 to 40 years that are not > liberated. No more meditation or any technique or > yagya or proper vastu will bring about liberation. > They are "stuck" in sattva. For these people a final > discrimination between Self and not-Self is needed and > the non-dual teachings of Mr. Parsons can be > profoundly useful for such people. It is for the ones > just starting a sadhana that non-dual teachings can > create quite a bit of cofusion. For them the useful > fiction of the dualistic teaching, I believe, will be > more effective. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
