Another Pulitzer winner:
"Cosmic pissing contest"
:-)
--- In [email protected], Peter Sutphen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- peterklutz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> >
> >
> > snip
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> > Reading the postings on this site on FFL makes me
> > wonder if not the
> > incessant talking and over-intellectualization is
> > actually an obstacle
> > to realization.
> >
> > Probably better of spending the time meditating..
>
> Couldn't agree more with you Peter, especially when it
> becomes a cosmic pissing contest!
> -Peter
>
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> >
> > --- In [email protected], Vaj
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Very nicely conveyed!
> > >
> > > <applause>
> > >
> > > On Apr 1, 2005, at 2:44 PM, Peter Sutphen wrote:
> > >
> > > > Yes, of course there is a "reality of the
> > subject
> > > > and object" within the phenomenological context
> > of
> > > > waking state prior to liberation. Within the
> > > > phenomenological context of liberation, they
> > don't
> > > > exist. What I'm critiquing is the possible
> > > > misapprehension of a phenomenological
> > description of
> > > > liberation as a method or means to achieve such
> > > > liberation. Within waking state there is
> > dualism. This
> > > > is the phenomenological reality. Teachings
> > function
> > > > within the context of this dualism to transcend
> > the
> > > > dualism. Dualistic teaching are useful fictions
> > that
> > > > stop serving a purpose once liberation is
> > realized. Of
> > > > course there is no personal enlightenment. But
> > when
> > > > there is a subject or personal self, as there is
> > in
> > > > waking state prior to liberation, enlightenment
> > is
> > > > understood in terms of the value such a
> > condition will
> > > > have for "me." It is impossible to understand it
> > any
> > > > other way. So one engages in a sadhana to bring
> > about
> > > > liberation. It's all "me, me, me." If the
> > sadhana is
> > > > effective it finally transcends itself and then
> > the
> > > > fiction of "me" is rather obvious. But the
> > starting
> > > > point for liberation is ignorance. And in this
> > > > ignorance is an individual me that strives to
> > become
> > > > liberated. It is only after liberation that the
> > > > fiction of "me" and any "effort of me" is
> > clearly seen
> > > > as absurdly false.
> > > > That being said, I believe that there are
> > > > thousands of people within the TM community that
> > have
> > > > been "techniqueing" for 20 to 40 years that are
> > not
> > > > liberated. No more meditation or any technique
> > or
> > > > yagya or proper vastu will bring about
> > liberation.
> > > > They are "stuck" in sattva. For these people a
> > final
> > > > discrimination between Self and not-Self is
> > needed and
> > > > the non-dual teachings of Mr. Parsons can be
> > > > profoundly useful for such people. It is for the
> > ones
> > > > just starting a sadhana that non-dual teachings
> > can
> > > > create quite a bit of cofusion. For them the
> > useful
> > > > fiction of the dualistic teaching, I believe,
> > will be
> > > > more effective.
> >
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