Awakening is intensely personal and experiential. People like Bob and 
Vaj who argue over the dogma of awakening only show that awakening 
is neither personal nor experiential for them.

--- In [email protected], anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> 
> Bob,
> You might be in pain since Vaj is destroying your illusions 
regarding
> TMO-TM-MMY. I believe you prefer your dream world to continue 
> uninterrupted :)
> 
> --- In [email protected], "Bob Brigante" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > 
> > --- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > 
> > > On Apr 1, 2005, at 9:12 PM, Bob Brigante wrote:
> > > 
> > > > The litmus test for CC remains witnessing sleep, the last
> > > > stop in stabilizing life of living one's unlimited awareness 
at 
> all
> > > > times, even during the torpor of sleep (or death of the body, 
> for 
> > that
> > > > matter).
> > > 
> > > I think if you check MMY's commentary on the Gita, you will 
find 
> that 
> > > he states this is a precursor of CC (as well as a feature of 
the 
> > > eventual state). "Witnessing" (despite being a lousy choice of 
> word) 
> > > can happen--and usually does happen before "CC". Please don't 
go 
> > > telling people that they are in CC just because they are 
> witnessing, 
> > > because this is misleading in the extreme. Later TM literature 
> like 
> > the 
> > > Journal of Vedic Studies reiterates this philosophy.
> > 
> > **********
> > 
> > You know, I rarely bother with your posts, but, really, referring 
> me to 
> > the Gita commentary without giving a specific reference (and 
there 
> > isn't one that supports your point) goes beyond your usual lazy 
and 
> > arrogant nonsense, so I'd like to congratulate you on setting a 
new 
> > benchmark for buffoonery -- not easy to do on a list like this.





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