--- In [email protected], anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Bob, you can on mentioning TM as what is sound as the best technique > on earth or very close to it. Correct me if I'm wrong. > surely you know that are other technique that preceded TM and MMY > that also use meditation at their basis. > Would you humour me and clear why do you see TM technique as the last > and ultimate resort, 'saving the world' teaching while all others > long timers technique > and teaching have been here long ago. Still the world progress and > regress on it's > own pace and not even TM going to change that...? >
****************** The reason why India is and has been such a mess for centuries, overrun by invaders and full of wrenching poverty and abuse, is that the correct way (and only the experience of transcending keeps the practice of meditation from being just another way to make the mind dull) to meditate was lost, or restricted to just a few people living in monasteries. Guru Dev left the forest, where he was perfectly happy all on his lonesome, to send an educated and English-speaking emissary to a suffering world with the authentic revival of Vedic culture, of which TM is the centerpiece and critical piece. As far as the progress of the world goes, only transcending and experiencing one's infinite self can make for any meaningful progress : Vasistha: "Ignorance of the self is the source of all troubles and calamities. Tell me, O Rama, is there a single trouble that does not spring from ignorance of the Self? ...As long as such ignorance rules the fool falls again and again...The portals of hell are wide open eager to receive such a fool." (p. 332 http://tinyurl.com/6xndt ) > > > --- In [email protected], "Bob Brigante" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Paul Mason" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > 'The initiation took place in front of a picture of Guru Dev and I > > > was told that I should consider neither my initiator nor Maharishi > > > Mahesh Yogi as my spiritual teacher but the Guru Dev himself.' - > > > Dinesh Khare [from his introduction to 'Strange Facts About A > Great > > > Saint' - a biography of His Divinity Swami Brahmanand Saraswati > > > Maharaj] > > > > > > > MMY has always said "all glory to Guru Dev," and has disallowed > pujas > > by TM teachers to himself, so this is not exactly news that you are > > presenting. Guru Dev came out of the woods only to find a suitably > > receptive student, who spoke the international language, English, > and > > who had a Western education, in Physics, who could bring the > benefits > > of bliss consciousness that he found living in a cave to > householders > > around the world who are unable to follow that rigorous lifestyle. > > The real motive behind your opposition to MMY is a resistance on > your > > part to spiritual growth, a resistance to the light introduced by > TM, > > a resistance that expresses itself in your opposition to MMY, whose > > total surrender to the Divine personality of Guru Dev has made him > an > > extension of that personality: > > > > http://geocities.com/bbrigante/spiritual.html#dev > > > > > Like many others I have been uncomfortable about many of the > > > initiatives undertaken in recent years by the TMO and about > certain > > > of the recent announcements made by MMY. Furthermore, Of late I > have > > > been pressed to question my views of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi whose > > > biography I wrote some ten years ago. Gradually I am coming to > > > realise that he now seems to speak an entirely different > language, a > > > language I cannot respect, a voice against democracy. > > > > Democracy is clearly not a sustainable form of government, but a > > temporary expedient engendered by the a low level of consciousness > on > > earth, so that the evil rulers who reflect that low level of > > consciousness are rejected by the people, who embrace democracy as > an > > attempt to avoid abuse. Although it is pointless for MMY to decry > > democracy, in my opinion (because it is group consciousness that > > determines what the govt is), it is also absolutely true that > > democracy is cruel, inefficient, and is on its way out when world > > consciousness rises and good and capable people are available to > run > > govts. MMY is not unaware of the "wild" character of current > > dictators and kings: > > > > http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates.html#memo > > > > >Thus I review > > > the criticisms of his peer group and of his detractors, wondering > if > > > there might be any substance to their rants. > > > > > > > The fact that some people in India (who are enemies of MMY out of > > jealousy and pettiness) may have certain titles does not mean that > > they are "peers" -- they would be peers if they were of the same > > level of consciousness as Guru Dev, but they are not, which is why, > > out of their ignorance, they attack the plans to enlighten the > world > > that enjoy the favor of Guru Dev. > > > > > When I pose such questions on TM newsgroups I am confronted by > self- > > > elected representatives twisting my words and twisting my motives. > > > One thing I have learned from this experience is that I have been > > > naieve in the extreme to think that TMers are either more more > > likely > > > to be more honest or more reasonable than non-meditators. But Guru > > > Dev was clear that one should tolerate the intoleration of others. > > > > So people who object to your horseshit are "self-elected," but you, > > who devotes considerable ink to vilifying MMY, are beyond > criticism? > > You are a real gem, pal -- which of course does, in a way, prove > your > > thesis that meditators are neither more honest or reasonable than > non- > > meditators. > > > > The real reason why little difference (to date) is found between > the > > behavior of meditators and non-meditators is that the early > adopters > > of TM have been disproportionately crackpot, which is just the > nature > > of early adopters of anything. When TM spreads to a wider portion > of > > the population, it will be clear that expanded awareness generated > by > > TM is useful for the growth of a useful personality. > > > > Bob To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! 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