Rory wrote: > WHOSE Suffering? WHO is suffering? > > :-) "rudra_joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ---You keep saying this. I am suffering, always. Always. I go from thing to thing always wanting more. Rory: Bingo! Only "I" is suffering; the rest is a mirror. But actually, no "I" don't. That is Self (or non-self if you prefer) believing it is the dream, believing it is self, the ego, some thought/feeling or other; that which changes. When we impose some condition on what IS, we suffer. RudraJoe: >When I'm hungry I feel weak. Rory: Yes, when the body is hungry it feels weak. So? RudraJoe: >When I run out of weed my mind gets really pitta and feels like exploding. Like now. Rory: Yes, the mind feels like exploding. So? RudraJoe: >No suffering? Good for you. The suffering I feel is the source of my desire for liberation. Rory: How the hell can you desire what you already ARE? Fool! :-) RudraJoe: >And always was. The fact of constant change makes all relative solutions invalid. Rory: Bingo. So? Why keep on identifying with them then? Obviously attempting to identify with impermanence causes suffering. Nature's way of telling us we are thinking something incorrect, something which IS not. RudraJoe: >Sure, I absolutely don't suffer, as when I stepped out of time when my father died. But karmically speaking, I have been caught up in suffering since I entered the womb and every day and moment since then. Rory: Yes, constantly identifying with the movie of one's own projecting. Suffering. RudraJoe: >Except when I was fucked up or in samadhi. But my guess is also that if you were you wouldn't be asking vapid questions. Rory: I am here because I have absolutely nothing better to do than to better Understand You, and so to better Understand mySelf. RudraJoe: >If we understand that we are the Absolute then can we understand that someone must cook and someone must wash dishes. Otherwise, no cooking, no eating, much suffering. Rory: Still drawing a distinction between Absolute and Relative. Both just concepts. What IS, is neither Absolute nor Relative -- isn't it? RudraJoe: >Heaven on Earth is right now, as I have always maintained, but being relative heaven must also change and so is not a solution to misery. Rory: Can't pin our "oughts" and shoulds" on anything; that way lies madness. Relative is just a concept. Inside and outside, self and other are just concepts. Believing in concepts implies suffering. RudraJoe: Nonetheless, heaven must be served, how do you take yours? I would be glad to hook it up if I could. Rory: Love you, Kirk! Thanks for trying so hard. I do appreciate it. We already are what we're striving for; we just forget sometimes. Your Buddha-buddy :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
