--- In [email protected], Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 4/26/05 11:14 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >> Does this mean a meditator would be immune from smallpox, if an > > epidemic > >> were to break out? > > > > ******** > > > > Really, one has to gain CC, and from that platform of bliss, one's > > action would be right, life-supporting and would not incur a negative > > reaction from nature. Obviously, TMers who have not reached CC are > > still suffering and radiating that suffering into the environment > > through their thinking/feeling and behavior. It would be real silly > > to say that right from day one of TM one never did any wrong, eh? But > > CC is a state where that is possible, where one's behavior can't be > > life-damaging: >
> OK, are you saying that someone in CC would be immune from smallpox, if an > epidemic were to break out? ********** Well, you know, Tat Wala Baba was shot by some jealous lunatic there in Rishikesh, and he died. Everybody thinks TWB was certainly enlightened http://www.yogiphotos.com/chap3a.html so either this was a function of some karma returning to him from his ignorant past, or an enlightened person could get whacked without having done anything that would generate that sort of karma (and that seems irrefutable, since anybody can walk up to an enlightened person and shoot them or whatever, even though that is not in any way what they "deserve"). But disease is produced by nature, and nature does not make mistakes (unlike the guy who shot TWB). Therefore, it seems logical to say that if an enlightened person gets shot by nature, a disease, it is simply that person's karma returning to him from his ignorant past (although once the body is destroyed, there is no possibility of rebirth for the enlightened person since all desires have been fulfilled by gaining CC). It can't be the case that a disease affecting an enlightened person is for the purpose of convincing that enlightened one to give up wrongdoing, since he already has. In any event, the experience of disease or any other traumatic event is completely different for the enlightened person (an actually enlightened person, one hastens to add, not a Fairfield Life list enlightened person) than for the ignorant person who feels that the body is his self. Disease and death are trivial events for one who is enlightened, since one lives the unlimited awareness that is the real Self and can't be affected by anything. It's like what MMY said about the life of Jesus -- ignorant people look at Jesus and say, oh how he must have suffered, but MMY rejects that: "Due to not understanding the life of Christ and not understanding the message of Christ, I don't think Christ ever suffered or Christ could suffer ... It's a pity that Christ is talked of in terms of suffering ... Those who count upon the suffering, it is a wrong interpretation of the life of Christ and the message of Christ ... How could suffering be associated with the One who has been all joy, all bliss, who claims all that? It's only the misunderstanding of the life of Christ." (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Meditations of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, pp. 123-124). For an enlightened person, the death of the body is like a tree falling in the forest, an inconsequential event -- death loses its miserable significance for the enlightened, and so does lesser trauma like disease. So I can't say (although MMY or the Vedic lit may say definitively) that an enlightened person could never experience any trauma to the body whether generated by a human or by natural processes, but the effect would be meaningless on an enlightened person. A world full of enlightened people would certainly not see the horrible toll of epidemics like smallpox, which took ~300 million lives just in the 20th century -- the tendency would be toward perfect health, reflecting the harmonious way of life of the enlightened. Bob Brigante http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
