--- In [email protected], "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Comments interleaved below. > > Bob Brigante wrote: > > > > the experience of disease or any other traumatic event > > is completely different for the enlightened person (an actually > > enlightened person, one hastens to add, not a Fairfield Life list > > enlightened person) than for the ignorant person. ... > > the effect [of trauma to the body] would be meaningless > > on an enlightened person. >
> Bob, you distinguish between a Fairfield Life enlightened person and an "actually" > enlightened person, but at least one Fairfield Life enlightened person is describing his > experiences in just the terms you describe above -- that trauma doesn't affect him. > See Tom Traynor's descriptions of dealing with physical pain. > I am not opposed to anybody's claim to enlightenment, but the benchmark for enlightenment (witnessing sleep) have been elucidated by MMY and elsewhere in the Vedic lit, so it does not matter if someone thinks they are enlightened based on some other criterion. > > A world full of > > enlightened people would certainly not see the horrible toll of > > epidemics like smallpox, which took ~300 million lives just in the > > 20th century -- the tendency would be toward perfect health, > > reflecting the harmonious way of life of the enlightened: > > I don't see how a tendency toward perfect health necessarily follows from enlightened > people being unaffected by trauma or disease. On one hand, you're saying (and I > agree) that bodily hurts can't touch enlightened people because they are not their > bodies. Then you say the bodily hurts won't happen in the first place. Am I > misreading you to assume a cause-and-effect relationship in your writing? > > - Patrick Gillam To repeat the quote from the SBAL: "It has been brought out by Charak and Sushrut, the great exponents of medical science in ancient India, that as long as people behave in righteousness, the atmosphere remains full of harmonious vibrations. The crops are good, the sun shines, it rains at the proper times, and the whole life in creation enjoys everything in the atmosphere. But when people lose righteousness and act against the moral codes of life the balance of nature is disturbed, and the atmosphere breaks into collective calamities like famines, floods, accidents, and all that damages life in the world." SBAL, "The problem of world peace," ~p. 240). When people are enlightened, or on the path to enlightenment by TMing, then there is no negative reaction from nature through disease, or natural disaster, accidents, etc. Disease, in other words, is not a random process, but a tool like other disasters to create receptivity to wisdom in humans. So what I am suggesting is that, in the first place, disease or disaster or death has no significance for someone living life at the cosmic level, and secondly, that people living in harmony with the natural order do not create the feedback from nature that is disease or other disaster. I assume that if an enlightened person gets sick, it's merely some karma returning to him from his ignorant past. As MMY notes in the SBAL, we are always producing waves of life-supporting or life-damaging influence and that bounces off every object in the universe and eventually returns to us, over the course of millions of years. Because an enlightened man can't be re-born, unused karma will go to his nearest relatives after this body is discarded. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
