Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dope, or not?

[Llundrub]

I often ask myself if Maharishi bashing is counterproductive to good karma. As I'm sure Rick also has.  I think we must all share a belief that somehow the truth that comes out or is being expressed is somehow enlightening in its own right, and so as such is a good thing. Otherwise we would run from the experience.   I also think that for myself, I am convinced that though Maharishi is a guru, and guru bashing in general is bad, that still he's a dualistic guru and not one that should be followed because he does not exemplify the time honored nondual traditions that make for true escape from the wheel of samsara.    So as such I consider myself a nondualist tradition protector of sorts.   I really love TM, stolen mantras from Sri traditions or not, and I am not bashing TM at all.  Nor am I bashing the Shaktis, or Holy Spirit, if you will.   No, I am bashing my own head basically. I offer my extreme examples of Movement logic as an attempt to reconcile such conflicts for myself.  If you take them wrong and go do something stupid because of my thoughts then you have yourself to blame.  I have never offered any specific piece of advice to you peeps, save, wake up. That's not really bad or evil I think.    I respect Maharishi as the person who made TM available to the degree that I would tell him my thoughts face to face if I had the chance.  Because I think he's dead wrong about many things.   I didn't hurt the TMO, Maharishi did.    I really feel fairly free of responsibility for any of your feelings on the subject. In fact, I am sure that my caustic attitude has galvanized those who were borderline into two camps. Those who felt true to Maharishi have felt more true after reading me. Those who felt otherwise have been served by my example of independence from the TMO. In either case both have been served.    Plus, where I have fucked up terribly my eleven sided malas of rudrakshas and begging for forgiveness during practice I think have provided relief from the flames of the bottomless. Now if only they would provide relief from the flames of my hemmoroids from all the sitting. ----- Original Message ----- From: anonymousff To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 9:04 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dope, or not? I was goggling to check what the heck is ngondro and I got this interesting paragraph regarding karma etc. "So long as these disturbing emotions are in you, you are accumulating negative karma. However, it is not as if a certain karma was accumulated, it would then ripen to give a certain result, and afterwards, that karma would disappear completely. And that the only karma left in us now is what has caused this present human life. No, you have millions of different karmic imprints built up from many past lives. In addition, you are continuing to create much new karma through your thoughts, speech and actions everyday. Sometimes they are positive, sometimes negative. But unfortunately, they are most often negative. As humans, we are constantly involved in disturbing emotions which can never result in anything positive. " from http://www.dhagpo-kagyu.org/anglais/science- esprit/chemin/medit/methodes/nongdro.htm which bring me to my main point and question to Llundrub, Vaj and all others Anti- and such, which is: Aren't you concern with your negative , bashing attitude towards MMY or towards others here that it will come back at you as a result of negative karma.?  [ a different q is what about Rick's karma as the admin? dose he has some responsibility? ] ( btw, I'm no angel myself, so my question is sincere ) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is interesting.  I was posting at Palyul group and the topic had been drugs, and Khenpo Norgey actually read the posts and commented and he said, > > "If the bliss experience through realization of the nature of our mind is same as that if using drugs, then it would be more advisable to grow opium than accumulating all the five hundred thousands of ngondo practices! If the goal of meditation and dharma practice is just to walk over water, it would be easier to pay the ferryman than to spent long years in solitude. I think of course it is good to learn from books but the past masters always emphasized learning and being under the guidance of an authentic teacher." > > I thought that was very interesting because I grow poppies. And I'm a Sidha.  Not to use of course but because they're pretty. Which one, sidhi or poppies? Not sure anymore. But it felt like he was talking to me. Though if he was really talking to me personally he might should have chosen the 100,000 ngondro because 500,000 is a bit over my abilities. Vvaj, did you do your ngondro? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! 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