One of my thoughts about the original question posed by Peter S. is that we tell stories about MMY to bolster our belief in him because he is our hero and as the hero, exemplifies the teaching. As our hero, he is the teaching.
Once on a tape someone asked him about personal love. He replied that funnily enough we only love ourselves, and that we love someone else because we feel so good when we are around them. If we stop feeling good when we are around them then we say "go away, I don't need you any more". He is not the teaching, he is just a guy, like any guy or gal, like me or you. The teaching is about something that exists above, behind and beyond him. Can't we surrender to the teaching and love him, love him as you would a brother or a sister or a father, mother, son or daughter? Just because he is a human. Rick Carlstrom --- In [email protected], "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For me it's more like: > > I see with my own eyes that dad cannot swim, even though > I believed he could when we were on the beach and as > we started into the water. If he is swallowing water and > looking like he's in big trouble, dad can no longer help me > swim, or at least cannot help me any longer. I would be > foolish to take any more of dad's advice since my direct > experience tells me he looks like he's going down. > > So I need to take responsibility for my own swimming and > make sure I don't do something terminally stupid. I know > I can't help dad because he's never been willing to listen to > anyone but himself. He used to like it when I stood up > for my own opinions, but got pretty pissed off when I > first starting noticing his actions and his words were often > contradictory. > > --- In [email protected], "Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], Peter Sutphen > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I've got a serious question for everybody and no > > > implicit criticism is meant and I'm also curious if > > > there is a legitimate/valid, whatever reason, someone > > > can come up with that I'm not quite getting. Why do we > > > need any story whatsoever regarding MMY? We can > > > neither confirm nor disconfirm any story. The > > > arguments go on and on. Most of our stories whether in > > > the pro or con camp are simply narratives of what we > > > already believe. All we have is our own experiences > > > regarding MMY. The stories can never, ever resolve; > > > they never "make sense" unless you deny huge chunks of > > > contradictory material. So, why and what is this need > > > that some, all, a few, including moi, struggle with? > > > -Peter > > > > > > > It's like a little kid being taught to swim in the ocean by his dad. > > You have always been afraid of the ocean but your dad has talked > > about how there is nothing to be afraid of, here's how to do the dog > > paddle, just paddle out and float, don't worry, if anything happens > > I'll save you. > > > > You're still not totally comfortable with being out in the water but > > hey your dad taught you a special way to swim and after all he's > > been swimming all over the ocean, and it's worked for him...right? > > > > So now everyone is out over their head and your dad looks like maybe > > he's having kind of a hard time keeping his head above water, or is > > he? It's hard to tell, is he struggling or not, was he lying about > > knowing how to swim or knowing about how to teach someone else to > > swim? Hey listen, I don't know if I can do this by myself, if he > > goes down I'm in big trouble, hey dad...dad! tell me how you know > > how to swim again okay...I'm scared. > > > > > > Rick Carlstrom To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
