my experience has always been that it is effortless. The only time 
it wasn't was sometime in the first few years when I was all hung up 
on getting a particular experience from it, and then I'd use 
innappropriate effort and get headaches. 

For about the last twenty, though, it has been like, oh time to 
meditate, and I meditate. I don't look for bliss or absence of 
thought or clarity or effortlessness or heart full of love or any of 
those things. I've had some wonderful experiences = so what?, but I 
truthfully can't say I experience any effort during meditation. 
Except as Peter has stated that there is always some subtle effort. 
Perhaps about the same as breathing. I sometimes forget to breathe 
when I meditate.

--- In [email protected], Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I find it keeps getting more and more effortless. Over and over 
again, one
> has the experience, "OK, now I'm doing it correctly." Maybe as 
Peter
> implies, with enlightenment it becomes infinitely effortless and 
there are
> no more shifts to greater effortlessness.




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