--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On May 19, 2005, at 11:31 AM, Rick wrote: > > > > > You are confusing the TM claim of effortless with the attendant > > instructions. Initiating the sounding of the mantra by the mind is > > an effort that when allowed to fall away leaves an effortless state. > > > > Actually, effort (prayatna) is well defined by the > yoga-siddhanta-chandrika (a standard yoga-darshana which refines > knowledge of the YS): > > Effort is any of these: utsaha (the intent to meditate), sahasa > (believing you can meditate), dhairya (patience to sit and meditate > until liberated), adhatma-vidya (pursuing meditative and the spiritual > sciences in general), mahat-seva (serving the mahat). > > Of course, on closer examination, it can be seen to consist of more > efforts (as in TM or other forms of meditation). > > To not use effort, we must dissolve method, no?
**** I'm not too familiar with the use of different meditation techniques. I have only learned TM in �73. My mantra was transformed after half a year's regular TM practise to a physical blissful vibration somewhere deep inside my skull, and mantra as a mental sound has never returned. If I think of mantra, it kind of comes on top of the much more subtle process that is going on all the time and that doesn't feel good at all. For a couple of years after my mantra got transformed, I still did sit down formally to meditate, even if the blissful pull inwards was so strong that it basically took care of itself also outside formal meditation times. For many years now I haven't practiced meditation at all as a formal intention. Breathing exercise I can sometimes do, when wanting to be able to better work with and connect to certain emotions. Generally the process is spontaneous and effortless. In rest the inward pull becomes stronger. When intensely discussing with someone it can be rather weak. The form this inward pull takes varies also. It can be a silent awareness or an intense, transformative, fiery flow of energy, or anything in between. It is a free flow, effort cannot be there in form of an instruction, how to do. I'm very poor in visualizations. My understanding of the inner processes and what the system needs, however clearly influences this flow. And intense attention can be focused on observing and sensing emotions and other sensations in the body. This is a very physical phenomenon and I think it is what is called the flow of kundalini. It is not about silencing thoughts. I don't experience thoughts as an obstacle or problem. It seems to be built in the kundalini flow that you don't get stuck to disturbing thought forms or emotions. I call this internal process meditation, because it has spontaneously evolved from the TM-technique and because it is a strong pull inwards towards more and more subtle energies. The felt intense inner subtle energy pushes towards external activity also. Irmeli To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
