--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Rick: > > > On May 19, 2005, at 12:35 PM, Rick wrote: > > > The real issue as far as I am concerned is shown by your > > statement "to not use effort, we must dissolve method, no?". > > Yeah I think that's an important part of it. > > > > > Well that is so easy to say and I think that it is correct but how > > does one get "there"? > > One receives instructions from someone who practices that form of > non-meditation--Hindu, Chinese, Tibetan, Aborigine, etc > > > How does one go from a state of mental effort > > which is really waking state to effortlessness on command? How do > > you dissolve method? By appreciating the mantra at finer and finer > > levels of thought until there is only the mantra and then finally > > leaving the mantra and transcending thought. Ta daa, the method is > > dissolved, effortlessness has been achieved. > > Well you can "think that", but does that make it so? Does stating "I > dissolved the car I drove to Ottumwa in" dissolve the car or change > that you got there by a car? No, it doesn't. Similarly samapatti does > not dissolve mantra--it takes you to the subtle part of mantra, but > still the seed is there.
Vaj has but one objective; to try to create havoc, seeding the seed of doubt. Unfortunately for him he has never meditated with TM even for once. The meditators in this community sees the obvious; Vaj is but a provocateur. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
