--- In [email protected], Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> on 5/19/05 4:05 PM, claudiouk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > I personally feel now that individual enlightenment in this 
lifetime
> > is beyond me, and that it is rather improbable that genuine seekers
> > in other traditions are wasting their time, as assumed within the
> > Movement. Moreover I am even more convinced, thanks to FFL, that
> > MMY's Movement is now imploding catastrophically, as it seems like
> > dead wood infested with vermin. But if it manages to create world
> > peace in spite of it all - what the hell! That WOULD be a success!!
> 
> Whatever happens to the movement, it has been a success in producing 
many
> enlightened people (which refutes your first sentence).

How Rick would know that the Movement has produced enlightened people 
and how claudiouk would know that it hasn't are both unprovable 
statements.

So, why bother to make these statements in the first place?

Both positions are equivalent to saying that unless you accept Jesus 
Christ as your personal lord and saviour that you will burn in hell 
for all eternity.






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