I like the Buddhist way of life and the walk the talk approach and 
other things you mention. But I never could make sense of their idea 
of no God or no Self. Belief in Karma, a moral order that has no 
empirical evidence, implies some God-like principles of fairness and 
evolution of consciousness - cosmic "purposefulness", not just blind 
mechanics. An Occam's razor approach would dispense with such 
elaborations. Also I can't understand their distinction between 
reincarnation and rebirth in the light of the no-self doctrine. 
Paradoxically Buddha or Buddha Nature has become deified itself and 
Buddhist use devotion as "skillful means". Consequently I'm attracted 
to Buddhism as a way of life but to the Gita as my guiding 
philosophy. But perhaps you can disentagle my confusion?

--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> The difference lies, in my opinion, in the word "religion."
> Very few Buddhists would class that study as a religion;
> it is so classed because outsiders have to have a handy
> box or category to class such things in.
> 
> One big difference between Buddhism and more devotional 
> approaches to self discovery is that Buddhism posits no
> sentient God.  In their philosophy and description of the
> world, none is needed; everything works just fine without
> one, the mechanics of an eternal Operating System called
> karma taking care of everything.  And there is not even
> the Western hangup about "Who created the OS?" because in
> their view the universe was never created -- it has always
> been, is now, and will always be; there was never a moment
> of "first creation."
> 
> Partly as a result, Buddhism tends to be the polar opposite
> of the "Beam me up Scotty" approach to enlightenment that
> one finds in God-based systems.  The impetus to enlight-
> enment comes from within; each seeker is responsible for
> his or her own enlightenment.  And there is really nothing
> even to "accomplish" or "get to."  All that enlightenment is
> is the subjective realization of something that has always
> already been present.
> 
> Also, there is an appreciation in some Buddhist sects that
> the description above, "this desire for God [enlightenment]
> being stronger than any other," is very much illusion and
> self importance, and thus possibly detrimental to the 
> realization of enlightenment.  If the pursuit of enlight-
> enment is, for example, more important to you than the 
> day-to-day work of caring for others and helping them,
> out of a sense of compassion and humanity, how much real
> humanity is left in the "one-pointed" God freak?  I'm 
> sure we've all met people who were so "one-pointed" in
> their approach to their own enlightenment that they blew
> off beggars on the street and even blew off their own
> responsibilities to family and community and their fellow
> human beings.
> 
> One of the things I like about the Buddhist approach is
> that it's much more about "walking the walk" than it is
> about "talking the talk."  One's enlightenment, or prox-
> imity to enlightenment, is judged based on How One Treats
> Others, not on anything they say about themselves or
> their spiritual path or their goals.  As someone once
> said so well, "You can tell more about how spiritual a
> supposedly spiritual person is by how they treat the
> waiter who brings them their meal or the attendant who
> pumps their gas than by anything they ever say about
> themselves and their philosophy."
> 
> Unc




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