Dr. Pete 
Is Cliff here trying to tell us something about himself? Rick says 
Cliff's shadow self is telling us about something.

Sincerely yours,
Slartybardfast


--- In [email protected], "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> And to further this analogy, as I think it is a very appropriate
> one - it's well-known that women in this situation will rationalize
> the beatings in every conceivable way to turn it into "it's my 
fault,
> because I didn't do such and such...", or "I must have deserved it
> because I failed him in...", or "He must be doing it for my good,
> because I KNOW he loves me...", or "But he only acts for my own
> good, so it must be OK..."           Sound familiar?
> 
> It's sad to see people subject themselves to emotional, spiritual,
> economic and even sexual abuse at Maharishi's direct bidding.
> 
> Yes, I feel it is absolutely abuse to tell people that sex is bad,
> disgusting, horrible, etc., etc. when it is such an obviously
> joyous, wonderful, fulfilling experience.  Especially when top
> Movement leaders and possibly even M himself were (or still 
> are) actively pursuing as much sex as they possible can.
> 
> It's even sadder to see true believers rationalize this abuse as 
> being 'good" or "deserved" or "I'm sure it's for the best."   
> Really, really sad....
> 
> --- In [email protected], "Cliff" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Why do women who get beaten by their lovers/husbands
> > regularly continue to stay with the assholes - even fervently
> > claiming to still love them?  Same phenomenon...  When
> > you've given away most of the responsibility for your life, 
> > it is VERY hard to reclaim it.  When totally given away, 
> > nearly impossible.
> > 
> > A very, very sad situation...
> > 
> > --- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > so why do they still take the apparent abuse?
> > > 
> > > --- In [email protected], "uns_tressor" 
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > > I think the calamity, if you want to call it that, is that 
you 
> > > will
> > > > > continue as you are now...
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In [email protected], "claudiouk" 
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Good question - interesting to hear more about it. I've 
> > > already  
> > > > > > say here. So far I can report no mass panic in the UK as 
a 
> > > whole. 
> > > > > > In fact no mention in the press about MMY's "punishment" 
for 
> > > > > > being "destroyers of the world".. in fact life here goes 
on.. 
> > > > > > Not sure about British meditators, although few of them 
had 
> > > much
> > > > > > to do with the Movement anyway.. 
> > > > 
> > > > There are many types of UK meditator. One wonders if MMY 
> > > > is suffering from some type of fever and will emerge in a 
> > > > couple of weeks. 
> > > > 
> > > > Another does the programme and couldn't care less about
> > > > the rest of the movement. 
> > > > 
> > > > Another would give two pints of blood per day to Maharishi 
> > > > until they died, if he asked for it. Many of these live in 
> > > > Skem, and there is now much suffering amongst those who 
> > > > least deserve it. They are totally and utterly committed 
> > > > to him and his work, and would cut off their right hands 
> > > > if they were told by him that this was needed. His treatment
> > > > of these folks is beyond belief.
> > > > U.




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