A former colleague once pointed out that from his perspective; 
proclaiming the value of meditation is like suggesting a lake where 
one might fish - the suggestion has been planted that it will be 
worthwhile - from then on anyone might sit hopeful. 

So I don't eat fish therefore I don't go fishing, but I have a hunch 
that the reasoning is spot on.

[Talking of lakes: I remember MMY aide Vincent Snell once proclaiming 
that '-ness' always means - 'a state of'. Someone brightly 
asked 'What about Loch Ness?' Readilly he quiped 'It would be in a 
state without Nessie!']  

--- In [email protected], Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> on 5/25/05 4:30 PM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > Much of the impetus behind independent TM
> > teaching comes from making the knowledge
> > available at more affordable prices. But I'm
> > curious how people who've been following the
> > discussions here would handle other aspects
> > of the teaching that might be a bit more problematic.
> > 
> > For example, we typically say the mantra is a
> > meaningless sound. Would you all stick with
> > that description? Or would some of you disclose
> > the provenance of mantras?
> > 
> > Another issue: We say on the third night of
> > checking that cosmic consciousness is a state
> > in which one's every act is spontaneously life-
> > supporting. But a popular topic among us has
> > been the questioning of that dogma. What would
> > you say? Would you just skip that part of the teaching?
> > 
> > And if we start fiddling with the teaching, are we
> > teaching TM, or something inspired by it?
> > 
> > The larger subtext: does knowledge really get lost?
> > 
> Very interesting questions. I've been thinking about this lately. 
If I were
> to teach independently I would want to re-examine everything I said 
in intro
> and advanced lectures and only teach what I knew to be true. But 
this would
> be a challenge, as all the scientific research would have to be 
scrutinized
> - perhaps one could refer only to studies published in peer-reviewed
> journals - and I would no longer feel comfortable making claims 
about
> benefits and higher states of consciousness I or trusted friends 
had not
> personally experienced. So what would be left to say? I could tell 
the story
> of my own life, how TM had turned it around, but to be honest I 
would have
> to related stories of many fruitless years serving an increasingly 
kooky
> organization. And such information might not pertain to my 
students' lives.
> Something to think about, and kind of a moot point, as I'm not 
about to run
> out and teach.




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