--- In [email protected], "claudiouk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> If all along the cosmic task had been to train 40,000 or so 
pundits 
> to a high degree of competence within the true "tradition" surely 
> this would not require a detour lasting 50 years 
> involving "householders" and "Westerners". Had MMY remained in 
India, 
> been one of the many gurus there that seem to thrive without much 
> difficulty, amassed a following of 5+ million in a land of about a 
> billion,





Now, this I find an interesting observation: a following of 5 
million would to any of us in the West seem an incredible number of 
followers AND a successful movement...but, in India, it would only 
be about 1/2 of one percent of the Indian population!  And, if one 
is only counting Hindus, about .75 of one percent of the population.









> and perhaps have found an Indian "Wallace" equivalent to 
> kick start scientific interest in TM there (as already happening 
for 
> Yoga)... etc.. Morever it might have ended up, like for the 
Buddha, 
> primarily a monastic order. Was there REALLY a need for all this 
> circus act?
> 
> --- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > This is a really good question.
> > This is the question I was addressing when I talked the other 
day 
> >about the upside of the pundits. It will really be these guys who 
> >will 
> > preserve the true tradition. Unless people take the time to 
train 
> > themselves in the texts behind this tradition, they would be 
> >clueless. 
> > Why? Because when you were taught SCI you were not given the 
source 
> >for 
> > these teaching.  Nor were you given the source behind many of 
the 
> > advanced lectures. The science of the gap, the sandi, is all in 
> > Sanskrit. In other words, the real tradition has been hidden 
behind 
> >a 
> > facade of scientific materialism and dispensed. The only real 
> option is 
> > to bootleg the SCI tapes and the advanced lectures, etc.
> > 
> > And how will you train new teachers without all of the video and 
> audio 
> > tapes?
> > 
> > Another issue is who will teach the advanced techniques?
> > 
> > The very real upside of the pundits--even if it ends up being 
only 
> half 
> > of the number stated--the upside is they have the full knowledge 
of 
> the 
> > tradition AND the practices. So it's a good thing that they are 
> > learning what they are learning. The karma-kanda aspect of M.'s 
> > teaching really is only preserved by Brahmins--and that 
represents 
> a 
> > significant part since what he teaches is essentially karma yoga 
> for 
> > householders.




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