On Sep 23, 2007, at 1:15 PM, authfriend wrote:
--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sep 22, 2007, at 5:25 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > Tom didn't say enlightenment became words, he > > said words became enlightenment through the > > discrimination of the intellect, "when the > > translucent intellect is as clear as the Self." > > But, it's important to point out, that the translation Tom > is using is extremely misleading. What the verse he quoted > is referring to is known technically in the yoga-darshana of > Patanjali as "viveka-khyati". While viveka-khyati IS an > important stage (bhumi) on the Path of realization a la > Patanjali, it is emphatically not final realization in that > system. Hm, I don't recall Tom saying anything in this instance about its being "final realization." He was making a different point.
Final realization in the context of yoga-darshana in TM-jargon is "CC" and the style of "final enlightenment" of yoga-darshana. Viveka- khyati is not that, nor is it "enlightenment", it's a bhumi (a stage). This is also why sutras such as the YS requires a lineal realizer to explain it. This also is why it is not unusual to see TMer's express false views.
In any case, you appear to be mistaken, given that the term used in the sutra Tom was quoting is "kaivalya," final liberation. > He has perpetuated this falsehood numerous times on this list, > despite this fact being brought to his attention. Perhaps he simply didn't bother to point out your error.
He's always welcome to try.
