I tend to agree with Judy's point -- or at least its general direction.

I suppose we all have many dimensions. But a guy who suggests others
are predators, and insinuated all sorts of ghastly things, because the
other talked to a younger woman in a bar, is not neither the deepest,
most sensitive or balanced guy on the planet, IMO, and in my experience.

And the broad generalizations on this thread, are interesting to see
how others may think. Maybe some of these are just riffs, not really
countering other posts, but rather are some tangental musings. And
thats all good and fine.

However, it seems, perhaps, there is a possibility that, in some
posts, there may be some quite odd reading of others' post. As if
someone says "blue", and they shoot back "why did you call that
A-flat" They don't even seem to get the sense correct. 

Some points, if they are not already obvious:

- Because a man appreciates the strength, self-sufficiency and
independence of many women, it does not follow, nor imply, that such
men are not deeply there for women, or men, when they are in need. And
are seeking help.  But, IMO, truly sensitive people know the
difference, and don't try to rescue people who don't want, are not
seeking, and don't need our help. A missionary complex is not a happy
sight IMO.

- Because men find some younger women attractive -- as older women do
of younger men -- it doesn't follow in the least that such men abandon
same age mates -- if they are in a committed relationship -- for
younger women. Nor are such men prone to "trophy" wives. Nor do they
try to "buy" woman. 

-Nor does it follow that men who appreciate all women, including
younger ones, do not see, rejoice in, and nurture the tenderest
qualities of their significant other, as well as friends.

- And I don't think any of the men who has recently posted on this
topic eschew same age relations. Its ALL about the person, not the
age. To me, maturity is not getting hung up on somewhat superficial
things like age. YMMV. IME, men and women, who can appreciate, and
have friends of all ages, are far more sensitive than those living in
an age ghetto. As well as being open to what ever unfolds. Not being
tied to set rules and opinions of how things should be.

Look at Joni Mitchell. Aside from the smoking, i doubt any man here
would call her "too old" -- even if they thought they could keep up
with her. As Turq's friend said, paraphrasing, "some people are able
to age without getting old". That is, IMO, without getting: rigid,
narrow, crusty, unable to change a deeply held belief, losing
curiosity, unfit, overweight, cynical, not interested in new things
and ideas, not willing to risk things, and losing that inner spark
that lights up their eyes, face and lives. Any woman, of any age, who
lives the positive side of those qualities, is way attractive in my book.







--- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], Bronte Baxter 
> <brontebaxter8@> wrote:
> <snip>
> > Only when something tender is in the environment, making the 
> atmosphere soft and safe, does that tender side come out.  Edg
> is the kind of man who brings out that side in women.
> <snip>
> And the man who can see and value the softness in a woman, even the 
> kick-ass ones, is the man who can win any woman's heart.
> <snip>
> >   So if Edg wants to "tilt at windmills" and stand up for delicate 
> damsels that most people say don't exist, we women hear him and a 
> tear wells up in our eye because we understand.
> 
> Speak for yourself, please, Bronte.
> 
> My experience of Edg has been rather different.
> Quite starkly different, in fact.
> 
> > In a world where women know they can't rely on anyone but 
> themselves, we have learned to be tough as any man. But our hearts 
> long for the kind of man who sees through the armour, who can honor 
> and cherish the innocent little girl that never disappeared, that 
> lives inside us, often forgotten even by us.
> 
> Either he doesn't always see through the armor,
> or he is sometimes moved not to honor and cherish
> the little girl he finds inside, but to try to rape
> and murder her in retribution for the outer tough
> part having given him a hard time.
>


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