"And Curtis, you got pissed that I used your name when I questioned if
you were a predator in a post's title. I think you had a valid point
-- I too KNOW THE POWER OF WORD ASSOCIATION IMPACTS ON MINDS, but,
what?, you're going to be silent when Judy makes an actual false
accusation against me?"

I wouldn't have jumped in to defend Turq either but he didn't want to
bother and I thought you brought up a lot of interesting writing to
comment on.  Of course I didn't want to get associated with being a
predator as spillover from your rant about Turq.  I work in schools
and this kind of misinformation on the net is unfair and could hurt me.  

I think you and Judy do pretty well defending yourselves.  I really
didn't understand Judy's comment because I haven't always followed
your exchanges.  Having read some of them that you posted here I
understand your history better.

Your Judy picture comment was so different from my take.  I didn't see
any of the qualities you did in her picture.  I saw "bemusement" if I
had to sum it up, and it made me think of Judy more as a person than
an entity online.  It improved our communications IMO.  

I guess with all the writing we aren't going to get you off your
mission with Turq. It is too bad because I enjoy when you guys write
together but this is a deal and conversation killer.  I hope you will
at least consider the feedback you got.  When Judy jumps in to defend
Barry, you know something is up!

As I said before, I enjoy your writing even when I disagree and
appreciate your willingness for dialog.  If you are over leering at
sweet young things I can really only feel sorry for you and pray
(that's a good one!) that this fate of walking death never strikes me
down.  Whenever a sweet thing puts a dollar my tip jar I tell them
"that was the prettiest dollar I've gotten all day."  The look on
their face makes it clear that appreciation is appreciated! 






--- In [email protected], Duveyoung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Judy,
> 
> Me? I feel like De Niro -- you talkin' to me?  Judy, with your
> magnificent brain, are you imagining me trying to rape and murder?  
> 
> Barry got all upset and started heavy flaming when someone accused him
> of being a murderer because he "was there" for women who might opt for
> an abortion.  So, I guess Barry's modeled for me, eh?  
> 
> Ready, Judy?
> 
> Your words: "Either he ({Edg}) doesn't always see through the armor,
> or he is sometimes moved not to honor and cherish the little girl he
> finds inside, but to try to rape and murder her in retribution for the
> outer tough part having given him a hard time."
> 
> Judy, come on, fight fair.  Poetry is one thing, but these aspersions
> of your imagination are so far "out there," that I cannot let this go
> unchallenged.  Which of my posts could possibly lead to such a
statement?
> 
> I flamed you in the past, so now, what?, you've decided that any White
> Knightism on my part has to be countered with your attacking me?  Is
> that "your deal?"  Tired of calling Barry on his stuff, so now, I'm
> next?  I guess I deserve it.  Hell, I know I deserve it, but do you
> deserve to have such vile fictional ad hominems in your history of
> critique?  You chided me for the same self-abuse -- hypocrisy, eh? 
> I'll repeat my self-abuse below -- but only for medicinal purposes.
> 
> Below's why I think you're pissed enough to be so over the top on my
> ass; here's some of my past flaming of you.  I include it here just
> for the fun of it, cuz, like I'm in a bar, so anything goes, right? 
> Put up your dukes!  Ah, good, now you're warned and cannot be harmed.
>  I'll be fairer still and warn you to not bother reading the next few
> flaming paragraphs so's to avoid being triggered.  But if you do read
> them, I don't have to care if your tender feeling level is attacked,
> right?  I don't have to consider your background, your age, nothing,
> right?  
> 
> Here's my descriptions of you when I flamed -- it's easier to repeat
> the words than make up more flames, and since they seemed to have hit
> your "guilt spot," why not use them again, eh?:  
> 
> ". . . the photograph that I've seen of "you," here online, is
> wrinkled with, IMO, angst-plowed troughs in blotched skin -- a face of
> simmering hate brought on by endless grimacing that I seem to "see"
> daily worn by you here."
>  
> And,
> 
> "I'm betting that I will find and cite post after post of yours that
> plainly shows stupidity, mean-heartedness, egoic attachment to
> falsities, failed spirituality, general all around low esteem, a self
> image of inconsequentiality, and deep fears such as "I'm an old woman
> seeing death around the corner, and all I can do is strike out at
> others in blind panic."
> 
> And,
> 
> "After all, I've seen what was purported to be your photograph, and if
> that wasn't you, well, it sure seemed to be a good match for the
> spiritual degradation that you've shown here. "Your" photograph, IMO,
> is reason enough for you to change your name and stop posting anywhere
> on the Internet. IMO, you must have not had any love in your life for
> at least a decade -- given the sad, depressed countenance that I think
> was plainly showing in "your" photograph. I've seen similar faces
> sitting in the "day rooms" of the mental hospitals where I gave first
> lectures. If you are insane, of course, then I pity you and take back
> any assertions or opinions of "mindful evil" on your part. Seems
> mindful to me though. And, if mindful, then you're up for the "Skank
> of Fairfield Life" award. For all your intelligence and
> perceptiveness, IMO, you're stupid and blind in your angry obsessions."
> 
> Ah, it still feels so right to flame back.  How was that for you,
> Judy?  The above was me being triggered for the words "liar and
> fuckhead," so imagine what you've escaped by my not doing up another
> description of you as punishment for your words "rape and murder." 
> I'm the very picture of restraint, eh?
> 
> I confronted Barry about his nonchallance about the possibility of
> being a predator, and you, a woman, seem okay with his 007 license to
> fuck, cuz, well, judging by your posts about this issue, I think you
> think you'll get lucky and find a young man for a trophy boy toy, and
> then, Barry's morality can be a handy stance to mimic.
> 
> What other reason for your silence in the face of Barry's saying, 
> 
> "And yeah, she is 'way cute, and I would be the luckiest guy on earth
> if I were fortunate enough to be hittin' that. (snip) I can tell
> already that this young girl and her sister and I are going to become
> really good friends."
> 
> He may hardly ever have sex with young women, but clearly he thinks he
> has a right to try for it, and would be lucky if he was able to
> convince them to "let old age creep up on them."  This attitude is a
> horrid rationalization for licensing any man to listen to his dick.
> And his dick will telling him to say whatever, do whatever it takes as
> clearly as the "Little, pitchfork wielding, Red Devil On One's
> Shoulder" does to characters in cartoons.
> 
> I remember a politician complaining that the congress can't pass a
> high tax on rich folks cuz all the poor folks are against it cuz they
> think they'll win a lottery some day and want not to have to then pay
> 70% of it in taxes when they're rich.  Sigh.
> 
> Same deal?  Anyone thinking they'll score a trophy wife or boy toy and
> want to make sure I shut up about the morality of it?  Yeah, people
> make their own beds and have to sleep in them, but espouse it as a
> good method for evolution?  Who here would want a child of there's to
> end up a trophy wife or boy toy?  NO ONE.  PERIOD.
> 
> I'm being told I'm creepily suspect because I've exaggerated the
> importance of the tender feeling level in ordinary life.  Yes, I broke
> my own ideals when I flamed you and others, and indeed, my reposting
> of the flames constitute flaming, and, Rick, I should be kicked off
> for a week.  But for you, Judy, to come back at me and suggest that
> the words "rape and murder" are adjectives for your summation of
> "whatever you think Edg is," then, maybe you need to look into the
> same mirror you're wanting me to look into.  Talk about creepy.  
> 
> And Curtis, you got pissed that I used your name when I questioned if
> you were a predator in a post's title.  I think you had a valid point
> -- I too KNOW THE POWER OF WORD ASSOCIATION IMPACTS ON MINDS, but,
> what?, you're going to be silent when Judy makes an actual false
> accusation against me?
> 
> And for you true believers out there, don't forget that I did TM four
> hours a day for 29 years -- my personality is what resulted -- notice
> my increase positivity, my decreased negativity?  Neither do I?
> 
> Judy, you at least owe your own reputation here an apology, for you
> have damaged it deeply to so knee-jerkingly berate me with such
> triggering words.  You might try to weasel out of this sinning by some
> sort of justification for your dark fictions, but try to be a bit more
> close to reality please, and tone down the hyperbole. 
> 
> Or, hey, I'm a writer, just keep it up.  I love the creative challenge
> of coming up with a decent flaming.  And I will risk being kicked off
> here by flaming you, but, pause and consider first, Judy, that I will
> do some of my best words to try to get your emotions as irked as
> you've attempted to do to me with your egregious "rape and murder."  
> 
> All's fair in bars; all are able to defend themselves, so no harm
> could result in any words I would write about you, right?  The flames
> didn't touch you at all, right?
> 
> Or, is it that I attacked Barry, FINALLY FOR SOMETHING ACTUALLY
> IMPORTANT, and you didn't, and now you are jealous?  
> 
> Meanwhile, Bronte has, so far, had the "best take on the
> problem-of-Edg," here, and I bow before her vision -- it was very kind
> of her to try to be an apologist for me despite her disagreement with
> much of what I've posted.  I'd call that integrity, but my liking her
> opinion is of course self-serving; where are the others here who can
> see that I'm fighting to keep the light that Kali is gradually
> extinguishing?
> 
> Kindness is leaving the planet.  Responsibility towards one's culture
> is fading.  Stewardship is getting pretty scarce.  
> 
> Speak up on my behalf all you who once thought the world could be
> saved by TM -- my White Knightism is a sin you've known also.  A sin
> because of my impotency and ego, but the intent is holy -- it is to
> preserve as much of goodness as possible for as long as possible as
> this world slides into hell.
> 
> I would be willing to bet a ton of money that Barry and Judy both have
> used my same exaggeration, projection and hyperbole when it comes to
> describing George Bush, but, ho boy, Edg's using those tools are bad,
> and then, next thing you know, hey, stomp Edg, cuz you know how much
> he reminds me of myself -- so uncomfortable.
> 
> What next?  If my daughter gets married, and I'm watching her dance
> her first dance with the groom, does Barry get the right to sidle up
> to me, jab my ribs with a lecherous elbow, point at my child and say,
> "Huzzah huzzah, I'd like to hit that!" ???  If Barry were to be that
> insensitive, would the rest of you be angry if I smack him a good one?
> 
> My bad for even fictioning that he'd be so crass. He's knows how to
> mind his p's and q's "in person." But, what? am I'm expected to "be
> like all men and leer" when a pretty young thing goes by, and everyone
> here will be okay with me hooting and hawing about what they'd do
> "with that stuff...."???  Our culture's fantasy of "pure young woman,"
> is pissed on thereby.
> 
> It's about what is "generally acceptable," and I see that standards
> are moving towards anarchy in every culture in the world, and that the
> forces of evil afoot are made happier thereby.  Anarchy now being
> touted as "The Outlaw Path To Enlightenment."
> 
> It's tawdry, it's low, it's predatory to leer or to disguise one's
> leering as a "friendly drink with friends at a bar."  And, don't miss
> my deeper concept:  it doesn't have to be about sex.  It's about being
> a manipulative energy vampire -- grabbing attention that's easy to get
> instead of earning subtler intimacy and progress by engaging in
> honesty for hours and hours and hours of confessions and truths shared
> and symbolizing love with bon mots, caressing and gazing into each
> other.  Having snappy repartee in a bar and thinking oneself very
> clever and maybe destined to get lucky, is simply aggrandizement by an
> elitist of the leverage tools he's able to command.  
> 
> It takes a ton of time and dedication to even begin to get a handle on
> relationship honesty.  To hang around bars and just do the easy stuff
> is so superficial, so egoic, so outer directed, and it's so wildass
> goofy to expect that bar hopping as a bard is a lifestyle that will
> serve up much profit for the soul.  I love Turq; he's written so much
> good stuff here, but I'm thinking he's just tired of trying to find a
> high road to travel, so now he's glorifying the curmudgeon's low roads
> where, yes, lessons can be learned, but not with dignity and clarity
> if agendas are kept hidden.  Projection?, yep, truth about Barry?,
> judge him by his words above.
> 
> With Barry's vast, and I mean vast, experience with all manners of
> "things deep," for him to not be an ideal inspiration to everyone is a
> great loss to our culture.  We should have a way to find people like
> him, and put them into teaching roles, and reward them tons.  I trot
> out my homilies based on very few experiences, but, with his history,
> why he should be overflowing with them far more clearly embraced, and
> he should be a model of compassion at the least for the human
> condition.  Where are there not blind folks everywhere needing help? 
> Those with the acuity of Barry should be guiding others to deeper
> fulfillment, instead of "guiding others until they're drunk enough, or
> infatuated enough -- for Barry's purposes."  He should be about giving
> darshan.  I know, "should should should."
> 
> If Barry has ever excoriated Maharishi Mahesh Yogi for abusing his
> position of power by having sex with young women, then let Barry be
> judged by the same rules.  Barry has immense powers to delude, and he
> has yet to deny that he uses them self-servingly.
> 
> I have been beaten to a pulp by life.  I have seen what my
> manipulation of others has done to me.  I have sinned terribly. 
> Terribly.  The costs have been huge.  Don't ask, it would be too
> embarrassing to detail my history of egoic stupidity, but don't think
> that I'm giving up trying to keep my inner rascal on a short leash.  
> 
> I don't tempt the rascal on purpose -- he's too good at getting me to
> do things.  I don't do porn.  I don't do leering.  I don't do bars.  I
> don't do fantasizing about women -- I'm too old to not be concerned
> for the contents of my mind.  I know the story on slippery slopes when
> one is playing with fire.  My life is a tale of such a fool.
> 
> To me, the good life is about being a village-of-one and raising
> everyone's inner child with a true tenderness.
> 
> And, if I could do this perfectly according to my own clarity, I still
> wouldn't be allowed in Sat Yuga, but why make things darker and darker
> and darker with a low surrendering to base identifications?
> 
> And to balance.  I often tell this sad story about my travails due to
> my own failings -- but, that is merely one side of my story. On the
> other side, I have been blessed in ways that make me think God is
> kookoo. I live in a heaven compared to what I had most of my life. 
> Retired, recreational money, and a woman with a heart that loves so
> unreservedly that I feel sunburned by the radiance of it.  
> 
> I feel completely overpaid for my travails.  
> 
> Edg
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote:
> 
> > Either he doesn't always see through the armor,
> > or he is sometimes moved not to honor and cherish
> > the little girl he finds inside, but to try to rape
> > and murder her in retribution for the outer tough
> > part having given him a hard time.
> >
>


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