The God vs Placebo argument begs the question. Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Oct 24, 2007, at 11:11 AM, new.morning wrote: An independent view: why is God necessarily a prerequisite, or an intermediary, to Universal Love -- defined as loving everything intensely. (Including Loving the homeless man you pass -- and doing something with that Love). Can't a pure atheist experience the same intensity of Universal Love as a Devotee? Whats God got to do with it? --paraphrasing Tina Turner. Universal Love is one the esteemed human virtues. If you get there through, or after, finding God, loving God, finding enlightenment in your own view, or by what ever means, That, Universal Love, is the Thing. Not all of the intermediate markers, non-markers, tools, non-tools, side-shows, non-side-shows, deep samahdi, shallow somadhi, (or "samadhi what?") etc. No need to posit, or believe, that God, or loving god, is the only way to Universal Love. If loving your god brings intense universal love, then you have a good god -- or at least a good placebo. If loving your god brings a motivation to smite and hate others, you have a bogus god IMO. Is God, and Loving God, perhaps only a placebo getting one to Universal Love. A correlation seen as causality. Same with meditation, yoga, yogis, darshan, etc. Can you, can anyone, clearly demonstrate that these are not simply placebos. Like Marek's and T3rinity's symbols, my experience is that "placebos" --that is, any object -- a rock or tree -- can evoke the same experiences as you describe from your symbols. If you just Love it intensely. God and Its divine symbols, and messengers. All nice. But you can make your own placebos -- if you need one -- faster, easier, if you dare to do so. Really good point, one that was begging to be said. Also, I wonder if we looked at it objectively, is belief in god or gods a good thing overall or a bad thing? From my POV, belief in an ethocentric god or gods is the greatest danger to sentient life on this planet. As we possibly near the latest planetary extinction, how much danger has the injunction in the Genesis/Bereshith, that man was given divine dominion over the earth and to subdue it, caused? Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com