--Vaj, your'e not being consistent. I just received my Snow Lion magazine today with a cover article on the Green Tara. Devotion to Her is not only a wisdom proposition, but has an objective of ofsetting physical calamaties of all types, from arthritis to zits; snake bites, poverty, disease,...you name it. You seem to be calling the Tibetan Lamas who promote such remedial measures fools. Is that correct?
- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Oct 24, 2007, at 11:11 AM, new.morning wrote: > > > An independent view: > > why is God necessarily a prerequisite, or an intermediary, to > > Universal Love -- defined as loving everything intensely. (Including > > Loving the homeless man you pass -- and doing something with that > > Love). Can't a pure atheist experience the same intensity of > > Universal Love as a Devotee? Whats God got to do with it? > > --paraphrasing Tina Turner. > > > > Universal Love is one the esteemed human virtues. If you get there > > through, or after, finding God, loving God, finding enlightenment in > > your own view, or by what ever means, That, Universal Love, is the > > Thing. Not all of the intermediate markers, non-markers, tools, > > non-tools, side-shows, non-side-shows, deep samahdi, shallow somadhi, > > (or "samadhi what?") etc. > > > > No need to posit, or believe, that God, or loving god, is the only way > > to Universal Love. If loving your god brings intense universal love, > > then you have a good god -- or at least a good placebo. If loving your > > god brings a motivation to smite and hate others, you have a bogus god > > IMO. > > > > Is God, and Loving God, perhaps only a placebo getting one to > > Universal Love. A correlation seen as causality. Same with meditation, > > yoga, yogis, darshan, etc. Can you, can anyone, clearly demonstrate > > that these are not simply placebos. Like Marek's and T3rinity's > > symbols, my experience is that "placebos" --that is, any object -- a > > rock or tree -- can evoke the same experiences as you describe from > > your symbols. If you just Love it intensely. > > > > God and Its divine symbols, and messengers. All nice. But you can make > > your own placebos -- if you need one -- faster, easier, if you dare to > > do so. > > Really good point, one that was begging to be said. > > Also, I wonder if we looked at it objectively, is belief in god or > gods a good thing overall or a bad thing? From my POV, belief in an > ethocentric god or gods is the greatest danger to sentient life on > this planet. As we possibly near the latest planetary extinction, how > much danger has the injunction in the Genesis/Bereshith, that man was > given divine dominion over the earth and to subdue it, caused? >
