I did answer it. And what makes you think I despise it? On the contrary, I love it. America has offered sanctuary to many thousands and America has also sent many thousands to their deaths. America has turned back ships of Jewish refugees, and with full knowledge sending them to their deaths. America is more complex, apparently, and more deep than you would have her be. And equally apparent is that you think me more simple than I am. a
feste37 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Of course it was a serious question, and you chose not to answer it. You stated that US actions around the world post-WWII made Hitler "look like a boy scout." Nothing you have said here has explained or justified that outlandish statement. America has offered sanctuary to many thousands of people fleeing from all kinds of tyrannies. It offered you a chance, I presume, as a foreigner, to come here and make a success of your life. It offered you freedom. Why do you appear to despise it so much? --- In [email protected], Angela Mailander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I take it, "Show me the American Holocaust, please" is not a serious question because I could show you, but I doubt you want to see what is going on under our noses right now in terms of America transforming itself into a military dictatorship and inflicting pain and torture on a significant number of our fellow creatures. Are they really our enemies? And if they are, are enemies created? If so, who creates them? and why? > > In my opinion, the evidence that America has been creating evil dictators and concomitant wars all around the world for at least a hundred years is compelling, but I could be wrong. What would you conclude if you saw the same M.O. all over the globe, like a serial killer. You;d ask the usual questions: motive? opportunity? benefit? what does the evidence tell you? What have other great detectives concluded who have been watching this? Do their points of view come in schools? Do they have axes to grind? > > It looks to me that it's America's turn to become the locus of this energy which we have been calling fascist, but I'm cool with any name you want to suggest. Just who or what is America? Somebody's tool? Autonomous? Who or what governs it? If anything. What is the energy that animates us, not as individuals, but as a people of a world divided against itself---who or what creates it? Maybe the periodic fascist occurrences on the planet are like an evil spirit manifesting all over the place, and people aren't to blame for expressing that spirit, they have no real choice. > > But there are many ways to see anything. What do you think is actually going on on this planet? Do you think the planet is just fine? Do you think humanity is just fine? Do you care? If so, why? > > Do you think that periodic culling of a herd is necessary for its continued health and vitality and even survival? > > You're an intelligent biological entity, > a cell in a computer called humanity, > incarnate on a planet, > at a certain point in history, > what the fuck do you see? > > > feste37 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Try to write a post without mentioning Hitler. You kill your case by > overstating it. America in the world post-WWII makes Hitler look like > a boy scout? Show me the American Holocaust please. > > --- In [email protected], Angela Mailander > <mailander111@> wrote: > > > > The "Maharishi effect" and the "reverse Maharishi effect" are both > in the Bible, so neither concept is anything new. > > > > I am not appalled by spelling errors or by "fuck you's" liberally > sprinkled in other people's prose, but the indifference I've seen to > the suffering and large-scale death America has inflicted world-wide > since 45, and which makes Hitler look like a boy scout, appalls me as > much as it does Edg. America is just beginning to wake up to the fact > that she created Hitler as a tool in the same way she created Saddam > Hussein and a bunch of other evil dictators. It's a familiar M.O. by > now, but wearing a bit thin in the world. In 1945, the Germans were > still ignorant enough to welcome the American army as liberators (as > Bush thought the people in Iraq should and would). Germans didn't > figure out till the late fifties what really happened. So it's taken > another almost fifty years before there is any indication that > ordinary Americans are waking up to who their leaders have been since > Eisenhower warned them in his farewell speech and nobody listened. a > > > > curtisdeltablues <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > --- In [email protected], Duveyoung <no_reply@> > wrote: > > > > > > Rick, > > > > > > Thanks for the reminder, but do you really think that my flaming an > > > apologist for evil would be out of line? Surely, it cannot be merely > > > the use of swear words that you're warning me about. > > > > Yeah, what's a few "Fuck you's" among internet strangers? (how do you > > make FU plural?) > > > > > > > > Additionally, I believe I laid out my reasons for why it might be a > > > view of some heft that Curtis is, indeed, deserving my, well, let's > > > call them for what they are: poetic words that attempts to nutshell > > > something so wrong about a person's core POV that it amounts to > > being > a menace to culture. > > > > That's me, "menace to culture". This may prove to be your best > post yet. > > > > My exaggerations are merely my way of showing my > emotional > > response. Posters here often are intellectually dishonest, > > > and my emotions are one way to snap them to attention, or at the > > > least, underline for all here about the depth of my stance. > > > > Flaming shows an "emotional response"? What a novel concept. So the > > flaming is for our own good? That's a relief, I thought your were > > just flaming for selfish purposes. Consider me all "snapped to > > attention" oh great wise one. > > > > > Not that I can prove Curtis to be anything but a, well, all around > > > good guy, but if I could, if I had more than just his weaselyassed > > > avoidance of morality here, would you let me then? > > > > I'm avoiding "morality" because I banged her once and then she started > > stalking me. Do not give her my contact info. > > > > <Snip> > > > > Would > you allow me to flame a pedophile, a dog-fight promoter, > > murderer, > etc.? One thing I can tell ya, Rick, I'd be putting out > > my best hate > literature on suchlike, and be proud of it even if I > > got kicked out of > here for doing so. > > > > What a display of subtle virtue, taking a stand against pedophiles and > > murderers. Brave position Edg, there are so few who are against these > > things. What a do gooder you are! If only there were more people > > like you there would be laws against these things... > > > > > > > > What does it take to get one to start acting-out? For me, not much, > > > but I think everyone here will act out at some point -- depending on > > > their identification with a POV. > > > > > > > Actually it is only you that I see communicating in this obnoxious way > > regularly here. > > > > > Like my previous post, who will be able to keep their emotions hidden > > > if someone says they'll vote for any war monger, predator, or ???? > > > > > > > So if someone doesn't vote for your guy (or gal), you should get to > > flame them for having another opinion? To answer your question, > > anyone with more maturity concerning people's different POVs than you > > have, that's who. Most people understand that there is not only one > > way to look at complex topics, except you. > > > > > We have all prided ourselves, as Americans, that the Germans who > > > killed the Jews were so aberrant in personality as to be labeled > evil, > > > and we imprisoned many who never actually shoved a person into a gas > > > chamber. I was raised to feel SOOOOO superior to those Germans, and > > > in fact, if I were to tell anyone here, even now, that I was > living as > > > a German in the town of Auschwitz, why, there'd be no end of the > > > hatred sent my way by everyone here for the crime of my denial -- it > > > being an enabling of the actual killers. > > > > > > When do we start thinking about the guards at Guantanamo and Abu > Graib > > > this way? They're just following orders, right? > > > > Wow speaking out against Abu Graib and Guantanamo now! Does your > > moral bravery have any limits? > > > > > > > > Same deal with Curtis and Turq refusing to discuss their own > > personal > styles when it comes to "practical morality." > > > > Refusing to be accountable to a flaming lunatic on the Internet? Say > > it is not true. Turq you had better report to Edg's office for your > > spanking and you had better not enjoy it mister! I'm bringing my ball > > gag just in case it gets interesting. > > > > It is just their > attitude towards morality that allowed so many to > > turn a blind eye to > the concentration camps. > > > > Yeah Turq, (who is guilty of talking to younger women), we are no > > better than people ignoring mass murder if we don't discuss our > > "personal styles" with Edg. Let me avoid another Holocaust here by > > revealing a partiality towards the Columbia Sportswear look, for the > > sake of the children. I'm guessing Edg's "practical morality" boils > > down to never getting laid. > > > > <Snip> > > > > > > Not that everything any culture does is evil, remember the Maharishi > > > Effect -- same deal for evil -- only need the square root of one > > > percent of the population to be evil for the whole culture to be > > > skewed that way. > > > > The Reverse Maharishi Effect is born! Just as coherent as as the > > program vibes but with much hotter chicks. I host a group evil > > program at my place regularly and it really deepens my experiences of > > "skewing" the culture. > > > > > > > > Stand up and be counted folks. > > > > Sig Heil, Sig Heil! > > > > The powers that be have taken their > > > stance. If you don't stand up against evil in the subtle > > > manifestations, you're doomed to seeing the emerge as war, etc. > > > > Flame on solders of Edg, it is your duty to society or we will have > > wars. Are Edg's pompous morality lectures going to be the only > > protection we have against future wars? It is your moral duty to say > > "Fuck you" to anyone who disagrees with you. It spreads goodness. > > (I'm a little unclear on the link here but I'm sure Edg will explain > > it in a future uplifting epistle) > > > > where > > > you WILL BE powerless to mitigate, but on individuals, you have a > > > chance to sway them -- with reason, emotion, or, in the case of Turq, > > > a big two-by-four across the face by an angry "traditional" father. > > > > > > > You use a lot of violent images in your posts Edg. I'm gunna guess it > > is because you feel powerless in your real life. > > > > > Edg > > > > That was fun, thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Rick Archer" <rick@> wrote: > > > > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > On Behalf Of Sal Sunshine > > > > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 1:42 PM > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 9-11 -- The Inside Job was > merely a > > > blip > > > > (snip .... thought police) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 29, 2007, at 10:56 AM, Duveyoung wrote: > > > > > > > > Fuck you Curtis...Fuck you, you enabling bastard...you cowardly > > > spin-master > > > > for evil... your immorality...cold-heartedness... try to > besmirch me > > > and my > > > > essay...I condemn you...evil's apologist....What a disappointment, > > > what joke > > > > for a personality,what a sell out... How you manage to still love > > > anything > > > > is astounding... > > > > > > > > > > > > Still committed to elevating the dialog and cleaning up the > place, I > > > see. :) > > > > > > > > Careful, Edg, or Bronte might swoon when she sees your latest rap. > > > > > > > > Sal > > > > > > > > Ahem. Etiquette police here. Please tone it down a bit Edg. > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1097 - Release Date: > > > 10/28/2007 > > > > 1:58 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
