Feste37, Let's have a reality check here. Here's your chance to nay-or-yaysay the numbers. Do you have the courage to look at these numbers?
Do you have the courage? The Holocaust in WWII Germany cost six million lives. Okay, that's the standard. Let's see if that bar is set too high for America to jump. Do you agree that Saddam was put in power by America and that he killed via "capital punishment" over 500,000 Iraqi "citizens?" http://wais.stanford.edu/Iraq/iraq_deathsundersaddamhussein42503.html Running total: 500,000 dead due to America. Do you agree that over 600,000 Iraqis have been killed in the last five years? http://www.thelancet.com/webfiles/images/journals/lancet/s0140673606694919.pdf Running total: 1,100,000 dead due to America. Do you agree that the war between Iraq and Iran was sponsored by the USA which provided gas and guns to Saddam who then used these weapons against Iran and that one million Iraqi and Iranian soldiers were killed in that war? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Iraq_War Running total: 2,100,000 dead due to America. Do you agree that more than 40,000,000 Native Americans have been genocidally reduced to less than half a million today? http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761570777/Native_Americans_of_North_America.html Running total: 41,100,000 dead due to America. Do you agree that "being a slave" is a "living death?" If so, add another 4,000,000 lives. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_events_leading_to_the_American_Civil_War Running total: 44,100,000 dead due to America. And for a mere 75 billion dollars every person on the planet could have running clean water and electrification, but lacking this up to 2,000,000 children die each year due to disease. (Other estimates are up to 30,000,000 each year, but let's just take the low number.) http://www.prb.org/CPIPR/NewReleases/Cutler2005.aspx Yet, BushCo just vetoed a mere five billion for the health of AMERICAN CHILDREN. Feste37, there's your numbers, there's your holocaust, there's your evil. If you cannot counter the above figures, if you cannot feel the pain of any of the families of the dead, if you cannot see that America's psyche is completely comfortable with murdering innocents to get their property, then your blindness is exactly the foundation that our Killer Elite is counting on -- an audience that's sure to applaud when the carnage splashes in the headlines in blood red ink. If you come back to this post with one of your flames, then, yes, again, the folks here with eyes open will see you as a sympathizer of evil in the world today. Evil is subtle, but the deaths are countable. Here's how subtle evil is: even you, Feste37, even you, if you were traveling along a highway and came upon an auto accident with two cars horribly ripped asunder and bodies scattered, even you would stop to help, even your heart would be crushed by seeing, say, a toddler crying next to an unmoving corpse. Even you, Feste37, could not miss the suffering on that roadside. But, evil can veil your sight, shut down your heart, and rouse a dark purpose in your psyche if you cannot imagine that child to be an Iraqi toddler next to a dead parent on the streets of Bagdad. Holocaust? Yeah, I see it all around right now, throughout history, and in your very denial of the deaths due to American actions. Your type of denial is EXACTLY the rationalization process that allows for one to be a guard at Auschwitz. And here am I expressing my rage once again, and Curtis and Turq and Billy will suggest I see a doctor and get some lithium or something. When Henry Thoreau was in jail for tax evasion because the tax money was supporting evil, Emerson asked him, "What are you doing in there?" Not that I am capable of anything so noble, nor that Thoreau was a saint, but Thoreau replied, "Waldo, the question is what are you doing out there?" http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0503e.asp I wish I could rise to Thoreau's level of conscience. The denialists in this group here seem only to deserve my futile lashing of their mindfully created blindness about just exactly what the power and range of evil is -- so, that's good news, eh? If the denialists here were any more deeply connected to evil, well, it wouldn't merely be my over-the-top, rage puke that's hurled at them. Real life would speak to them directly. Do you have ears, Feste37? Get ready for something louder to scream into them than my silent text here. Consider yourself warned Feste37 -- My challenges to you here are nothing compared to the karma coming your way if you do not at the least attempt to resist the evil of denying the suffering of others. Feste27 -- here's a typical child doing something special -- note not her skills but her spirit. All children have this spirit. http://br.video.yahoo.com/video/play?ei=UTF-8&b=0&vid=1364800&gid=1088378 There is a joie de vivre inherent in every newborn, and it's seen in this one child's display. Protecting this is the least any HUMAN must do to be able to look into a mirror. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Of course it was a serious question, and you chose not to answer it. > You stated that US actions around the world post-WWII made Hitler > "look like a boy scout." Nothing you have said here has explained or > justified that outlandish statement. > > America has offered sanctuary to many thousands of people fleeing from > all kinds of tyrannies. It offered you a chance, I presume, as a > foreigner, to come here and make a success of your life. It offered > you freedom. Why do you appear to despise it so much? > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander > <mailander111@> wrote: > > > > I take it, "Show me the American Holocaust, please" is not a serious > question because I could show you, but I doubt you want to see what is > going on under our noses right now in terms of America transforming > itself into a military dictatorship and inflicting pain and torture on > a significant number of our fellow creatures. Are they really our > enemies? And if they are, are enemies created? If so, who creates > them? and why? > > > > In my opinion, the evidence that America has been creating evil > dictators and concomitant wars all around the world for at least a > hundred years is compelling, but I could be wrong. What would you > conclude if you saw the same M.O. all over the globe, like a serial > killer. You;d ask the usual questions: motive? opportunity? benefit? > what does the evidence tell you? What have other great detectives > concluded who have been watching this? Do their points of view come > in schools? Do they have axes to grind? > > > > It looks to me that it's America's turn to become the locus of this > energy which we have been calling fascist, but I'm cool with any name > you want to suggest. Just who or what is America? Somebody's tool? > Autonomous? Who or what governs it? If anything. What is the energy > that animates us, not as individuals, but as a people of a world > divided against itself---who or what creates it? Maybe the periodic > fascist occurrences on the planet are like an evil spirit manifesting > all over the place, and people aren't to blame for expressing that > spirit, they have no real choice. > > > > But there are many ways to see anything. What do you think is > actually going on on this planet? Do you think the planet is just > fine? Do you think humanity is just fine? Do you care? If so, why? > > > > Do you think that periodic culling of a herd is necessary for its > continued health and vitality and even survival? > > > > You're an intelligent biological entity, > > a cell in a computer called humanity, > > incarnate on a planet, > > at a certain point in history, > > what the fuck do you see? > > > > > > feste37 <feste37@> wrote: Try to > write a post without mentioning Hitler. You kill your case by > > overstating it. America in the world post-WWII makes Hitler look like > > a boy scout? Show me the American Holocaust please. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander > > <mailander111@> wrote: > > > > > > The "Maharishi effect" and the "reverse Maharishi effect" are both > > in the Bible, so neither concept is anything new. > > > > > > I am not appalled by spelling errors or by "fuck you's" liberally > > sprinkled in other people's prose, but the indifference I've seen to > > the suffering and large-scale death America has inflicted world-wide > > since 45, and which makes Hitler look like a boy scout, appalls me as > > much as it does Edg. America is just beginning to wake up to the fact > > that she created Hitler as a tool in the same way she created Saddam > > Hussein and a bunch of other evil dictators. It's a familiar M.O. by > > now, but wearing a bit thin in the world. In 1945, the Germans were > > still ignorant enough to welcome the American army as liberators (as > > Bush thought the people in Iraq should and would). Germans didn't > > figure out till the late fifties what really happened. So it's taken > > another almost fifty years before there is any indication that > > ordinary Americans are waking up to who their leaders have been since > > Eisenhower warned them in his farewell speech and nobody listened. a > > > > > > curtisdeltablues <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <no_reply@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Rick, > > > > > > > > Thanks for the reminder, but do you really think that my > flaming an > > > > apologist for evil would be out of line? Surely, it cannot be > merely > > > > the use of swear words that you're warning me about. > > > > > > Yeah, what's a few "Fuck you's" among internet strangers? (how > do you > > > make FU plural?) > > > > > > > > > > > Additionally, I believe I laid out my reasons for why it might > be a > > > > view of some heft that Curtis is, indeed, deserving my, well, > let's > > > > call them for what they are: poetic words that attempts to > nutshell > > > > something so wrong about a person's core POV that it amounts to > > > being > a menace to culture. > > > > > > That's me, "menace to culture". This may prove to be your best > > post yet. > > > > > > My exaggerations are merely my way of showing my > emotional > > > response. Posters here often are intellectually dishonest, > > > > and my emotions are one way to snap them to attention, or at the > > > > least, underline for all here about the depth of my stance. > > > > > > Flaming shows an "emotional response"? What a novel concept. > So the > > > flaming is for our own good? That's a relief, I thought your were > > > just flaming for selfish purposes. Consider me all "snapped to > > > attention" oh great wise one. > > > > > > > Not that I can prove Curtis to be anything but a, well, all around > > > > good guy, but if I could, if I had more than just his weaselyassed > > > > avoidance of morality here, would you let me then? > > > > > > I'm avoiding "morality" because I banged her once and then she > started > > > stalking me. Do not give her my contact info. > > > > > > <Snip> > > > > > > Would > you allow me to flame a pedophile, a dog-fight promoter, > > > murderer, > etc.? One thing I can tell ya, Rick, I'd be putting out > > > my best hate > literature on suchlike, and be proud of it even if I > > > got kicked out of > here for doing so. > > > > > > What a display of subtle virtue, taking a stand against > pedophiles and > > > murderers. Brave position Edg, there are so few who are against > these > > > things. What a do gooder you are! If only there were more people > > > like you there would be laws against these things... > > > > > > > > > > > What does it take to get one to start acting-out? For me, not > much, > > > > but I think everyone here will act out at some point -- > depending on > > > > their identification with a POV. > > > > > > > > > > Actually it is only you that I see communicating in this > obnoxious way > > > regularly here. > > > > > > > Like my previous post, who will be able to keep their emotions > hidden > > > > if someone says they'll vote for any war monger, predator, or ???? > > > > > > > > > > So if someone doesn't vote for your guy (or gal), you should get to > > > flame them for having another opinion? To answer your question, > > > anyone with more maturity concerning people's different POVs > than you > > > have, that's who. Most people understand that there is not only one > > > way to look at complex topics, except you. > > > > > > > We have all prided ourselves, as Americans, that the Germans who > > > > killed the Jews were so aberrant in personality as to be labeled > > evil, > > > > and we imprisoned many who never actually shoved a person into > a gas > > > > chamber. I was raised to feel SOOOOO superior to those > Germans, and > > > > in fact, if I were to tell anyone here, even now, that I was > > living as > > > > a German in the town of Auschwitz, why, there'd be no end of the > > > > hatred sent my way by everyone here for the crime of my denial > -- it > > > > being an enabling of the actual killers. > > > > > > > > When do we start thinking about the guards at Guantanamo and Abu > > Graib > > > > this way? They're just following orders, right? > > > > > > Wow speaking out against Abu Graib and Guantanamo now! Does your > > > moral bravery have any limits? > > > > > > > > > > > Same deal with Curtis and Turq refusing to discuss their own > > > personal > styles when it comes to "practical morality." > > > > > > Refusing to be accountable to a flaming lunatic on the Internet? > Say > > > it is not true. Turq you had better report to Edg's office for your > > > spanking and you had better not enjoy it mister! I'm bringing > my ball > > > gag just in case it gets interesting. > > > > > > It is just their > attitude towards morality that allowed so many to > > > turn a blind eye to > the concentration camps. > > > > > > Yeah Turq, (who is guilty of talking to younger women), we are no > > > better than people ignoring mass murder if we don't discuss our > > > "personal styles" with Edg. Let me avoid another Holocaust here by > > > revealing a partiality towards the Columbia Sportswear look, for the > > > sake of the children. I'm guessing Edg's "practical morality" boils > > > down to never getting laid. > > > > > > <Snip> > > > > > > > > Not that everything any culture does is evil, remember the > Maharishi > > > > Effect -- same deal for evil -- only need the square root of one > > > > percent of the population to be evil for the whole culture to be > > > > skewed that way. > > > > > > The Reverse Maharishi Effect is born! Just as coherent as as the > > > program vibes but with much hotter chicks. I host a group evil > > > program at my place regularly and it really deepens my > experiences of > > > "skewing" the culture. > > > > > > > > > > > Stand up and be counted folks. > > > > > > Sig Heil, Sig Heil! > > > > > > The powers that be have taken their > > > > stance. If you don't stand up against evil in the subtle > > > > manifestations, you're doomed to seeing the emerge as war, etc. > > > > > > Flame on solders of Edg, it is your duty to society or we will have > > > wars. Are Edg's pompous morality lectures going to be the only > > > protection we have against future wars? It is your moral duty > to say > > > "Fuck you" to anyone who disagrees with you. It spreads goodness. > > > (I'm a little unclear on the link here but I'm sure Edg will explain > > > it in a future uplifting epistle) > > > > > > where > > > > you WILL BE powerless to mitigate, but on individuals, you have a > > > > chance to sway them -- with reason, emotion, or, in the case > of Turq, > > > > a big two-by-four across the face by an angry "traditional" > father. > > > > > > > > > > You use a lot of violent images in your posts Edg. I'm gunna > guess it > > > is because you feel powerless in your real life. > > > > > > > Edg > > > > > > That was fun, thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <rick@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > On Behalf Of Sal Sunshine > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 1:42 PM > > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 9-11 -- The Inside Job was > > merely a > > > > blip > > > > > (snip .... thought police) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 29, 2007, at 10:56 AM, Duveyoung wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Fuck you Curtis...Fuck you, you enabling bastard...you cowardly > > > > spin-master > > > > > for evil... your immorality...cold-heartedness... try to > > besmirch me > > > > and my > > > > > essay...I condemn you...evil's apologist....What a > disappointment, > > > > what joke > > > > > for a personality,what a sell out... How you manage to still > love > > > > anything > > > > > is astounding... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Still committed to elevating the dialog and cleaning up the > > place, I > > > > see. :) > > > > > > > > > > Careful, Edg, or Bronte might swoon when she sees your > latest rap. > > > > > > > > > > Sal > > > > > > > > > > Ahem. Etiquette police here. Please tone it down a bit Edg. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > > > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1097 - Release > Date: > > > > 10/28/2007 > > > > > 1:58 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > > http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > > >
