yeah, the difference between riding a bicycle and getting somewhere, 
and staring at one, figuring out how it works. I suppose both 
activities have value, depending on what you the goal is. 

--- In [email protected], "Robert Gimbel" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> -If one holds a specific meaning of a mantra, it seems to me, that 
one 
> is not only holding a limiting value of meaning, but is getting 
caught 
> on a superficial level, instead of transcending to the deeper 
levels 
> of consciousness. 
> More important than any specific meaning, is the ability to 
transcend 
> using the sound, the vibration, of the mantra.
> The whole misunderstanding of meditation, I believe, is the 
notion, of 
> getting caught up on meaning, rather than transcending all meaning 
and 
> establishing consciousness, in that field which is transcendental 
to 
> all meaning...
> 
> -- In [email protected], "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > 
> > Heh. So, common sense tells me esoteric Hindu/Vedic details?
> > 
> > MMY doesn't teach meaningful mantras, by his own explanation of 
how 
> TM 
> > works.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > =====What does Mahalakshmi mean exactly? What does Mahakali mean 
> exactly?  These devas exist in the energetic realm that is outside 
of 
> our exact space/time frame. Therefore meditation on them is 
outside of 
> conventional meaning. Without losing nothing of the meaning 
> of "meaningless sounds" the mantras can still have deep meanings. 
Just 
> like the word, MAH, is meaningless and has vague notions to most 
but 
> specific notions to those who use the word Mah for their mother. 
These 
> mantras are especially meaningless to Westerners but not so to 
those 
> in India. "Meaningless sounds" is merely a rhetorical device...




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