--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> On Jun 1, 2005, at 10:59 PM, Robert Gimbel wrote:
> 
> > -If one holds a specific meaning of a mantra, it seems to me, 
that one
> > is not only holding a limiting value of meaning, but is getting 
caught
> > on a superficial level, instead of transcending to the deeper 
levels
> > of consciousness.
> > More important than any specific meaning, is the ability to 
transcend
> > using the sound, the vibration, of the mantra.
> > The whole misunderstanding of meditation, I believe, is the 
notion, of
> > getting caught up on meaning, rather than transcending all 
meaning and
> > establishing consciousness, in that field which is transcendental 
to
> > all meaning...
> 
> In traditions which use mantra as a path, the initial part of the 
path 
> the mantra is used for "transcending". Later, in order to get the 
full 
> benefit of the mantra, it's meaning is investigated at different 
> levels. There is more to a mantra than it's translation into 
vaikhari 
> (vocalized speech).
> 
> Transcendence is the beginning stage, meaning comes later.

So meaning trumps transcendence?




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