--Dr. Frederick Lenz, aka Rama.... An online testimonial: "Which probably helped me survive six years with Rama, Dr. Fredrick Lenz. I met him in 1984 and was swept up like none of the other organizations was ever able to sweep me up. Even the JWs who got hold of my poor mind when I was young did not get so inside of me as this guy was able to.
Before I knew what hit me, I was traveling all over the country, and giving this 'holy' man all of my hard earned cash. I was also able to recruit several people into this organization, which is something I never did in any of the others. I think this shows how much I was enraptured of Rama. After six years, I walked away, never realizing how much he had affected me. I only knew that he was screwing my ex-girlfriend and that she broke up with me because he told her to. I had already moved on, and wasn't that concerned, I didn't have deep relationships or anything like that in those days. But it did get me thinking. . .Friends don't do that to friends. Then I started paying attention to everything else and began to apply the same standards that I lived by for myself, and although I could never be held up as a saint by any stretch of the imagination, I realized that I lived a far more moral life (in that I caused less harm to others) than he did. Boy, did I feel stupid. 39 years has taught me very few truly interesting things, except perhaps one--no one has the answer for me but me. The only thing another person can do is offer perspective. Perspective is not worth slavery. So be careful of gurus bearing gifts :o) - In [email protected], "Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It?" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > There are several people, teachers for real or presumed, who use the name > Rama. > Do you have any additional names for this person, their original family name > or a website, > perhaps with photos to help determine which Rama you are referring to? > > > > On 12/13/07, lurkernomore20002000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Curits commenting on Turqs experience with Rama - Fred Lenz: > > > > So if this teacher had some version of this ability, and you were in > > deep rapport with him, it doesn't seem like too much of a stretch to > > think he might have developed some other interesting ways to shift a... > > > > Lurk: > > I have mentioned before that when I read an interview Rama gave back > > in the early 90's (I believe), I was blown away. The impression I got > > was that of full blown enlightenment. A second interview six or seven > > years later, still had, in my opinion, the unmistakeable mark of > > enlightenment, although it was a little dulled, but enlightenment > > still intact. That was my impression. Speculating, given the little I > > know about the guy, it seemed like he pushed the envelope to the > > extreme, but even for the enlightend, there is only so far you can > > push it, before you find yourself past the point of no return. > > > > >
