On Jun 5, 2005, at 4:58 PM, anonymousff wrote:

> I personally never had such an amazing experience with Maharishi as
> Guy described. But I did discover after spending some months on TTC
> with Maharishi many years ago, that the same change in physiology
> that Guy described had happened to me (urdhavaretas - energy
> naturally going up).

I think we shouldn't confuse urdhaveta with prana-kundalini. Urdhaveta 
as a process has some remarkable characteristics well beyond simply 
having apana start to unify.

>
> So I think Vaj's skepticism is misplaced. Maharishi really is
> capable of producing this effect on his students, whether it is in
> the space of 30 seconds of direct attention, or several months of
> darshan and meditation as taught by him. (Side note: some weeks
> back, Vaj posted some lengthy quotes about practices to promote
> energy going up. I don't remember the details other than frequent
> reference to the "secret chakra". I can't say whether these
> practices are worthwhile or not. But they, as well as Mantak Chia
> (Taoist) type practices brought up by LBShriver in the past, strike
> me as a remarkable amount of effort to achieve something that
> happened to me without my even intending it - side/side note to Vaj -
>  get that Vaj - no effort was involved, not even intention!)

That's mantra dude. It happens.



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