--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > <snip> > > > > Actually, it seems to me the "you're already > > > > enlightened" model is the one that's a lie. > > > > If you're still lacking the realization, you're > > > > not enlightened. > > > > > > > > This model is designed to make people feel stupid > > > > if they're still lacking the realization, as if > > > > there were something wrong with them for not > > > > having it--e.g., "what should have been obvious," > > > > "IGNORANT of what's been right in his face since > > > > the day he was born." > > > > > > But it's the truth. > > > > "I worked with a teacher for many years who per- > > sonified the 'I can't tell you the "truth" about > > enlightenment because there IS no "truth" about > > enlightenment that can be put into words' philos- > > ophy I have been rappin' about recently. He went > > out of his way to point out that everything he > > was saying was in a context, and from a particular > > point of view. Shift context and change points of > > view and, he said, it would no longer be true." > > Are you trying to suggest that my four words > were not written in a context? Within that > context, they're perfectly true. In other > contexts, not so much.
I couldn't agree more. That's been my point all along; thanks for confirming it. But I would also suggest that a significant part of that context *for you* is that it offers you yet another opportunity to attempt to put others down while exalting yourself. See, I have no problem with your model, only with the way you use it, and your insistence that it's somehow *more true* than the "progress" model. Metaphysically, both models are equally true and equally valid, just from different states-of- consciousness contexts. What is *not* valid is the attempt to apply the model from one state of consciousness to another state of consciousness--particularly when the attempt is made in the interests of denigrating others.
