--- yhvhworld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --Is this supposed to be some type of excuse for > immoral behavior? > Things just don't "happen". People (victims - > women...get raped, for > example, little boys get fondled.) These are > crimes, > not "happenings".. Of course they are. Who said they aren't?. Waking state has its own dharma and CC has its own dharma. You can't cross understanding of these two dharmas or you come to these ridiculous conclusions. > > - In [email protected], Peter Sutphen > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > --- Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > --- In [email protected], Peter > Sutphen > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > An unenlightened person looks at an > enlightened > > > person > > > > and they appear to have desires. They talk, > they > > > move, > > > > they eat food, they do this and that, they > prefer > > > one > > > > thing over another. > > > > > > What is it that is actually driving the speach, > > > movements, eating? > > > And when there are preferences, why is one thing > > > preferred over > > > another? > > > > > > If an answer is Brahman then does Brahman have a > > > sense of "I"?. > > > > > > Rick Carlstrom > > > > In waking state there is a foundational confound > > between consciousness and the experiential sense > of > > "I". This "I" is ego. Because consciousness is > > projected into and identified with body/mind there > is > > a bound sense of self: individuality. This ego > assumes > > ownership for action. Thus in waking state we > assume > > that action occurs because "I" am intending it. > But in > > enlightenment it becomes rather clear that there > is no > > "I" to intend or not to intend anything. Action > just > > occurs or not occurs. Thoughts just occur or not > > occur. Feelings just occur or not occur. There is > no > > "I" that takes ownership. The "I" actually does > not > > exist. But it appears to exist in waking state and > is > > confused with consciousness. What drives the > > behavior/thought/feeling of the enlightened is > what > > drives everything phenomenal: God/Nature/Mystery, > > whatever. This is actually driving people in > waking > > state too, but they think that subjective sense of > "I" > > is doing it. It's quite the delusion! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact from the behavioral level > > > > there is no difference between the > unenlightened > > > and > > > > the enlightened. But the enlightened person is > not > > > > "there" in the way the unenlightened person > > > believes > > > > themselves to be. There is no sense of "I" or > > > "mine" > > > > in the enlightened person. There is no > subjective > > > > "self" that sees itself as "me" or "I" . That > just > > > > goes in enlightenment. The best an enlightened > > > person > > > > can say is that they are "nothing." They > aren't > > > there > > > > in they way an unenlightened person believes > they > > > are > > > > there. There is no personal identity or self > in > > > > enlightenment. The mind can't understand this > > > because > > > > it confounds a sense of individual self with > > > > consciousness. The two have no relationship > what > > > so > > > > ever. A personal self is a product of > > > consciousness > > > > projecting into mind and experiencing itself > as > > > bound. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Or go to: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > > and click 'Join This Group!' > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
