---No....they were lying to you and telling me the truth. You project a certain level of abrasiveness which might turn people off. They would then tend not to divulge their innermost secrets to you.
On the same level of credibility - 1. Jerry Jarvis, 2. Charlie Lutes (when comes to discussing his own direct experiences), 3. Walter Koch, 4. Theresa Olsen, 5. Peter Ports In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "sandiego108" <sandiego108@> > wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > Are you saying you are certain none of those people are > > > > enlightened? > > > > > > I'm saying that I knew all of these people, > > > and that I've heard four of the seven clearly > > > say that they were NOT in CC or any other higher > > > state, long after the "five-to-seven year" mark. > > > > > > In other words, I don't know what their state of > > > consciousness was, but they seemed to. > > > > > > This is just matrixmonitor's self-importance > > > bullshit. "I assume that these people were > > > enlightened, therefore they are important, > > > therefore I was slightly important because > > > I saw or met them once." > > > > > > You find the same phenomenon in every spiritual > > > trip, but rarely with the same level of naivete > > > that one finds it in TM. > > > > And you are absolutely sure these people were telling you the truth? > > Given the less than positive reception one finds in discussing the > > subject of enlightenment, I am leaving the door open that these > > people were being less than candid with you. > > It is certainly possible that these people > were lying to me, and to the groups of TM > students they were in all cases addressing. > But of course, if they *were* enlightened > and lying about it, all that would prove is > that the enlightened are capable of looking > fellow TMers in the eye and lying their > socks off to them. > > Somehow, I can see why you would find that > explanation more acceptable than the possi- > bility that they were simply telling the > truth. >
