Edg, really, thanks a million for sharing this. It is really fascinating to see a pro at work like this. How audacious, and absolutely committed he must have been to this agenda. It almost sounds like he had really bought into the idea that he was doing good somehow.
I knew Andy from my six month course as I have discussed before. I was somewhat in awe of him, having gone straight from a TTC to the first six month course. And Andy was in my small group. I remember him talking to Bill Locke on the bus ride to Courcheval, (or it may have been to a different town we were going to), and telling Bill details of what the town was going to look like, before we even got there. Have no idea if it was accurate or not. But, the balls, the outright audacity to pull this off as he did. But then again, maybe this is the m-o of most predators. Obviously they pick out the most vulnerable, as described by the traits you list. Andy tailored his method to his target audience. The predator is obviously a highly motivated individual. I enjoyed your end of post plan to confront him. That would be neat. I have, on ocassion, been in a position where I have stood up and confronted an issue in similiar fashion. Last I picked up from chatter here, Andy had enlisted in the Sai Baba community. Seems strange. How would he fit in there? --- In [email protected], Duveyoung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "lurkernomore20002000" wrote: > > How? What?, Where? Does this happen? And you're saying Andy was > not totally enlightened? He got away with pedopoilia right under your > nose. Must be a pretty good diversion to keep everyone's attention > away from his molesting children. He robbed the bank when the > security guards were around. Not sure how one does that. And how old > were the kids?" > > Edg: > > Andy's method is to grant free admission to various kids if one of > their parents sign up for a day long Self Inquiry course. At the > sessions I attended, there were always about ten boys between, say 10 > and 16 years old. During the sessions he would engage these boys > beyond all propriety by plying them with questions that brought them > into making statements that showed that they understood what Andy was > talking about. The boys who were best at this got very high praise > from Andy in front of the group, and this spurred them to focus even > more and come out with more statements that were hardly more than > parroting back what Andy just had said. Andy would call a boy up to > the front and have them answer questions from the crowd, saying, > "Here, let Johnny answer that -- he's got it down pat." The kid would > be beaming in pride. > > After a session, Andy would pull aside the parents and tell them the > following: "Your son is about to reach enlightenment -- I can tell > this, but it's a very very tender time, and I can help them as they > process this transition by letting them pal around with me and > spontaneously ask me questions about their quickly evolving > experiences, and thus I'll rapidly deepen their clarity right there > while the iron's hot about what's going on and this will speed up > their realization. > > He'd say the above, and then he'd invite two or three of the boys to > watch movies and hang out in his recreational vehicle -- a bed on > wheels as it turns out. > > Somewhere in the day, the kid calls and asks if he can stay into the > night because things are going well and he's having a wonderful time. > What the parents are not told is that the other boys have been sent > home and only one kid (sometimes more) is going to be there alone with > Andy. > > Then, having gotten the kid isolated and pumped up about his pending > enlightenment and being Andy's new best friend, Andy tells the kid > that to be enlightened is to be beyond all attachment, and that a > traditional way of showing that was to do things which one deeply did > not want to do when one was "that old personality pre- enlightenment." > > So, Andy encourages the kid to smoke, watch sexy movies and then when > the timing is right: he says, "You're very close now, I can tell. > What you need now is one giant step forward in losing your attachments > and the best way to do that is to blow me." > > By Andy's processing the bigger groups, he finds those boys whose > gender identities are weak -- a fatherless upbringing, a boy who's > gotten into delinquency, a boy with true psychiatric difficulties, > and/or a boy with a distraught parent who hopes Andy will suddenly > change their kid's ways, and probably his gay-dar does a lot for him > too. By carefully picking, he get much higher odds that his above > method will work. > > I have all the above from a person who experienced it first hand, and > I absolutely trust that the facts are as I stated above regarding what > goes on in Andy's RV -- this person is telling me the truth as far as > every intuition al bone in my body can tell. And, of course, I > actually witnessed Andy doing his pre-screenings. > > When I finally got the testimonial from the person the above, it was > only then that Andy's methods popped out clearly to me -- he is savvy > and smart and subtle -- and it was only then that I could see how his > sessions spent way too much time with kids who really had mostly been > dragged to the meetings by their parents. He was wasting everyone's > time -- except his. At the time, I thought he was being very loving > to spend so much time with kids. > > I try to track what he's doing -- now and then -- so that I can at > least be sure he's not offering courses -- especially in Fairfield. > If I find out he's doing anything in public and it's, say, within a > thousand miles, I'm going to drive there and confront him in the most > rageful fashion I can without getting arrested. Believe me, no one at > any session will be able to trust Andy after I scream for even one > minute. And if I get lucky, Andy will attack me physically, and then > I hope that my last five years of fitness will allow me to mop the > floor with the bastard's face. > > As a parent myself, I know that it doesn't take much of a warning from > another parent to open their eyes or at least give them enough doubt > to do safety-first regarding their children. > > When I found all this out, I had moved from Fairfield and Andy had > stopped his courses. If anyone knows that he's pulling the same shit, > tell me. > > Edg >
