--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Now, now. DOn't let the facts get in the way of the hate-fest...
> > > 
> > > I don't think that there is hate here. People are just trying to
> > > understand what's going on. No need to charge up the retoric.
> > > Criticism sure, dislike sure, hate-fest, I doubt it.
> > 
> > I see it a bit differently. Every time a negative story about MMY is 
> > recounted, there's a crowd of people here  who automatically accept 
> > it as true. These same people automatically doubt or reject outright 
> > any positive story.
> 
> One of the differences, Lawson, is that many if not
> most of the people here are TM *teachers*, as opposed
> to the forum you're more used to.  They've been around
> the block a few times, heard all the stories, and have
> found out for themselves how many of the "postive" ones
> are a steaming pile of bull crap.  And, more important,
> they've been on the "front lines" for years or decades,
> dealing with these same questions from others, telling
> them the same bull crap, as they were taught to.
> 
> Look at the home page for this group, at the "mission
> statement" posted there.  This is a place for people who
> think for themselves, and are proud of that.  When some-
> one comes here trying to impress by telling the same old
> warmed-over tall tales we've heard for years, using 
> *exactly* the same words they were told in when we first
> heard them, using *exactly* the same words *we* used when
> *we* told them, or were *taught* to tell them, it doesn't
> quite have the effect you are hoping for.
> 
> Is there dissatisfaction here with Maharishi personally
> and the TM organization?  Well, duh?  How could one be
> a thinking individual looking at either dispassionately
> and not feel some dissatisfaction?  The difference between
> this forum and others you are more used to is that no one
> here is waiting in the wings to stomp such dissatisfaction
> out and label those who feel it as traitors or "anti-TMers"
> or worse.  And when someone tries, as you seem to be doing
> these days, the response is usually to laugh at them for
> trying rather than lash out in return.  We've all been 
> there, done that so many times that most people just have
> developed a tolerance for those who try to "defend" Maha-
> rishi by lashing out at his critics and/or repeating the
> same tired old stories, under the theory that if you 
> repeat them often enough, people will actually believe
> they're true.  That may work for America when the Bushies
> do it, but I don't think you're gonna get very far doing
> it here.
> 
> Just some friendly advice, guy.  You know that I like you,
> but you're coming across as a bit of a fundamentalist, in
> a crowd that got over that shit years ago.
> 
> Unc

Unc, 
  I hope to be able to expreess myself half as clearly someday.

JohnY






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