> John
> 
> I was referring to you. You gave up TM how many years ago yet it seems
> to have quite a grip on you now.
> 
> Instead of just moving on with your life, even though you may not be
> participating in the TM world/programs, you are spending quite a bit
> of time in TM world via all these discussions.
> 
> KN

KN,

Couple of things.

Moving on doesn't mean forgetting. At least in any meaning of "moving on" that 
I'm aware 
of.

Taking responsibility for the happiness, comfort, and productivity of one's 
life -- from this 
point forward -- is my idea of moving on.

Do you disagree?

Making a career out of helping people who experienced damage to oneself is 
considered 
noble in many quarters. Whether it is or not, many people find helping others 
very 
fulfilling. I know I do. It's my career.

Most mental health professionals that I know are either recovering from 
challenges 
themselves or have a close relative who has suffered mental illness or abuse. 
Every cult 
counselor I know either left a cultic relationship  or had a family member 
involved in one.

But my career is only part of my life. 

I have a very full life. 

I'm married, three step-kids, two grandchildren, read science fiction, listen 
to Leonard 
Cohen and Emily Lou Harris and Neil Young, raise chocolate labs, garden, a 
career I really 
love, play Scrabble, download music, have a rich spiritual life, meet my 
financial 
obligations, have tons of friends, have many people I love, have ties to my 
upstate New 
York community, have an interest in progressive politics.....

I also enjoy discussing my take on TM and the Movement with others who find it 
interesting. 

To do otherwise would be a form of character suicide, I think. TM was the most 
important 
thing in my life for 23 years. I have wonderful memories of my time in TM. I 
know 
extraordinary people in TM. 

I very much want to keep those memories lively in my life. 

One of my criticisms of some cult counselors is that they encourage cutting out 
any 
connection to one's old group. I think this is black/white thinking: "ugh, cult 
bad, noncult 
good, ugh."

In my life -- and practice -- I encourage *integration.* Keeping the best of 
the group, no 
matter how abusive, *consciously* discarding the parts that no longer meet your 
needs, 
never forgetting.

I think cutting out that time in my life would impoverish my life. And probably 
wouldn't 
be healthy.

I am very pleased with the fullness of my life. I wish the same for anyone 
reading this 
post!

My TM involvement is a small part of my life.

That's one answer to your concern.

Another is: What difference does it make? My character flaws really have no 
bearing 
whatsoever on what I have to say.

Martin Luther King was a womanizer. Yet he accomplished great things.

I'm neither a womanizer nor have I accomplished anything great. But my flaws, 
and I have 
many, do not obscure the little I do achieve.

Do you believe you can't learn from someone who has serious character defects?

I feel I learned from everyone in my life. Certainly including the Maharishi. 

The world just isn't black and white.

Concern about my character just serves to distract from my one substantive post 
here on 
reform in the TM movement.

J.

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