--- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In [email protected], "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > > --- In [email protected], Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > > > on 6/15/05 3:51 PM, lupidus108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> [...]
> > > > > What is your definition of "awakening" ?
> > > > 
> > > > Same as yours, dude. Same as Maharishi's. C.C.
> > > 
> > > But how do you know that it was the leaving that prompted the 
> > > awakening, or the awakening that prompted the leaving?
> > 
> > Either way - it's the head and tail of the same cat ... How many of
> > the 'newly awakened' do you know that are still 'true believers'?
> > 
> > And that's as circular as I want to get!
> > 
> 
> The people who are being studied at MUM show the highest signs of CC 
> of anyone that I am aware of. True, perhaps all the people in "real" 
> CC aren't available for study, or perhaps the people that left are 
> the ones who are deluding themselves.
> 
> You can always organize a study of "newly awakened" former TMers and 
> compare their physiology to the ongoing participants in the program.

Have you ever seen the signs (eeg studies etc...) of any other people
besides TMers. Did you even take a look at
Ken_Stops_His_Brainwaves.wmv that Vaj posted? Pretty impressive. Next
time I can presuade the NIH to float me a million or so I'll gather up
a few of the 'newly awakened' for a study.  I the mean time, it seems
that some people have made significant progress after leaving TMO or
they made significant progress and they decided to leave and present
their knowlege outside the context of TM. Whatever. There is a
substantial group of the 'newly awakened' here writing on FFL, willing
to stick their necks out. How many of them are still closely
associated with the TMO? 

JohnY
  

 





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