Peter: > >>> CC is "baby" awakening. Cessation of identification of > > consciousness withmind. End of "I" and "me".
Rick: > >> Fine, but it¹s a significant milestone one which people often seem toreach when they¹ve been meditating for decades and allow themselvesto break free of conditioned beliefs and judgments. Akasha: > > Wow, now one only need to break free of free of conditioned beliefs and judgments? I did that 25 years ago when I left the TMO. And regularly at other significant phased of my life. Little did I know that CC had dawned! This spiritual evolution stuff is getting easier and easier. Rick: No, I was just saying that with decades of meditation under one's belt, the liberating influence of breaking free from a situation which encourages or imposes entrenched thinking may be sufficient to tip one over the edge. Or maybe it works the other way around. Maybe as one gets close to the edge one feels the impulse to distance oneself from such situations. Akasha: I know. My response was tongue-in-check, though with a purpose: to stimulate people to define more clearly what they mean when they use the terms "enlightened" or "awakened". Peter offered up "CC is 'baby' awakening. Cessation of identification of consciousness with mind. End of 'I' and 'me'" but neither he or Tom chose to follow up to my question, "Is that a necessary and sufficient condition for enlightenment, in your view?" If People can't answer that, then these terms A and E are quite weak and IMO often hinder communication rather than help it. I am not seeking a definition for A or E for myself. I gave up caring about A or E several years ago. Even going so far as to say they don't exist -- in that they are only labels, categorizations, and in some instances judgements. What does exist is Awareness and various comprehensions and insights that can unfold as Awareness unfolds and reveals itself. And Awareness is not the seeker. Seeking is outside the domain of (the unfoldment of) Awareness. Try to lasso the state of Desirelessness with a desire? Its funny at face value. However, I periodically ask the question of "what is that" when people use the A&E terms because I think some deep inquiry on the matter is useful, it has been for me. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
