--- In [email protected], "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Irmeli: > On the experiential level I feel to be all the time connected to the > infinite. But I don't have much else to say about it than it is > transcendental to my understanding. > > Llundrub:-You're not connected to it. It is you. Without it you would have nothing to make connections with. Irmeli: My relative mind is an expression of the absolute. It is not the absolute. > Everything I perceive through this nervous system is relative. And > that is very fascinating. In my relative perception the highest > possible stage of consciousness I can be aware of is deep ignorance in > comparison to something much higher I cannot even imagine. > llundrub:---That is mere ignorance. The awareness would be the same regardless of whether it was more or less aware of ignorance. It doesn't change. Consciousness is clarity, or there would be no relative change because there would be no space for it.
Irmeli: With this I disagree. It is theoretical nonsense. How much and what what the organizing "I" is aware of makes a lot of difference to how I navigate through my life. Compare yourself with a amoeba. There is lot of differences in awareness and accordingly also in lifestyle. > Irmeli: In the relative world everything is in relation to everything else. > But in order to perceive this relativity you must perceive something > as other, as an object. > Llundrub:--Yes, in order to get the co-dependency of relative phenomenon one must see their nature as being empty of the phenomena or else one would be caught up in it and not see the forest for the trees. Irmeli:The relative is phenomena,not empty. But it is crucial to disidentify the Self from the changing phenomenal world and perceive it grounded in the infinity or absolute. Irmeli:> A baby for whom everything is still subject lives in an > undifferentiated unity, there are no relations to anything, only oneness. > In order to be capable to relate to something, it has to get separated > from the embeddedness in the "I". When something is still in the "I", > you cannot clearly perceive that function or work with it, instead it > runs you. > LLundrub:---The mere modern Jungian psychotherapy of individuation. Life however doesn't mean that one will always be at odds. This somehow is the key to being able to work through it though Irmeli. One must be able to abstract the basic nature of relative phenomenon in order to adjust to it. One needed live in the babyish instant desire fulfillment or tears sort of psycho-noumena, but instead, if one understands the harsh reality of the relative then one can build a nest, as it were, in that tree and find shelter in it. Irmeli: I have no idea what you are trying to say here. English being my third language, I would appreciate clear and simple expressions. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
