--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > what I meant was that you have written volumes here Mr B. and has > curtis, and if taken to task for each and every thing you have > said, you would find yourself a very poor comparison to those you > easily denigrate.
What you meant was, "How DARE you talk about Guru Dev and Shankara as if they were ordinary human beings!" Free clue: they were ordinary human beings. > if you will not rigorously call bullshit on yourself, you > have no business applying that term to others. hypocrisy > is not a virtue. You mean hypocrisy like claiming there are things I could be "taken to task for" in my writings here, without naming any of them. If you want to take me to task for something, do it. If you want to go Joe McCarthy on us and claim that there are things I've been hypocritical about without naming any of them, do that. Either way, I owe you no response, but suit yourself. > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <no_reply@> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 > > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > if you and curtis held yourselves to the same standard as you > hold > > > the Maharishi, Guru Dev and Shakara, you would have nothing to > say. > > > easy to take pot shots at a word or phrase here and there to > make > > > your point when you don't stand behind your own thoughts and > > > actions as diligently. glass houses. > > > > I would say that both Curtis and I hold ourselves > > to FAR higher standards than either Guru Dev or > > Shankara. We, for example, actually talk to women. > > We, for example, don't consign a person to a role > > simply because of their last name (in India, you > > know exactly what caste a person is the moment you > > hear their last name). We don't, for example, tell > > other men to think of women ONLY as "corpses, bags > > of urine and feces." We don't, for example, hold > > to a tradition that teaches that the best a woman > > can aspire to spiritually is to serve their husband > > diligently so that they can be reborn as a man in > > their next incarnation. Both of the men you mention > > did all these things; we don't. > > > > If you extend the comparison to Maharishi, neither > > Curtis nor I ever extorted huge sums of money from > > their followers for projects that were never built. > > Neither Curtis nor I ever claimed to be celibate > > while sneaking women to our rooms and screwing them. > > Neither Curtis nor I ever tried to scare people into > > bouncing on their butts by telling them that the > > world would end if they didn't. Neither Curtis nor > > I ever reacted to someone questioning our pronounce- > > ments by throwing them out of our organization, > > declaring them persona non grata, and threatening > > to do the same to any person who even talked to them. > > Maharishi did all of these things, and more. > > > > You may not agree with the fact that we can both > > care about women in general and have loving rela- > > tionships with women in specific, and at the same > > time have no compunctions about calling bullshit > > on individuals who are slinging it about. To us > > it doesn't matter whether the person slinging the > > bullshit is crazy woman on an Internet forum or > > a supposed "holy man." If it's bullshit, we have > > both a right and a duty to call it what it is. > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <no_reply@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > > > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > As far as your points on the importance of women's rights, > of > > > > > course I agree. I'm sure if I was a woman I would be the > first > > > > > to call people on sexist language for its own sake, not > because > > > > > it has been linked to violence. In my neighborhood it is > > > > > violence that is linked with violence. > > > > > > > > > > In fact I'll join you by condemning two of the most sexist > > > people > > > > > in history, the Holy Tradition's own Shankara, and the woman- > > > > > phobic Guru Dev. The Crest Jewel of Discrimination is one of > the > > > > > most sexist scriptures on the planet. > > > > > > > > > > "A wise man views women as corpses, bags of urine and > feces." > > > > > Shankara > > > > > > > > > > What a saint! > > > > > > > > > > And Guru Dev's refusal to be in the same room with any women > > > sent a > > > > > terrible message to women and men who looked at him as a > > > spiritual > > > > > leader. > > > > > > > > > > I would think any woman who is serious about women's issues > > > would > > > > > want to join me in condemning these two men. > > > > > > > > Bingo. > > > > > > > > That's the real issue, the one that the pseudo- > > > > feminists on this forum are skirting. > > > > > > > > It's "misogynist" to call a person who is acting > > > > like a cunt a cunt (see the following post for a > > > > definition of that word) > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/194179 > > > > but it's just FINE to suggest that one should think > > > > of women as corpses to protect one's fragile male > > > > sensibilities. > > > > > > > > Or to suggest, as Maharishi did, that the only valid > > > > reason a woman should get a Ph.D. is that it makes > > > > her "a better conversationalist for her husband." > > > > > > > > You see, there is "real" misogyny, and there is that > > > > "other stuff," the behavior that all real, "spiritual" > > > > women understand and make excuses for because it's > > > > part of a noble, high, spiritual tradition that they > > > > believe is more correct and in tune with the "laws > > > > of nature" than current beliefs. > > > > > > > > See my next post for what's really going on with the > > > > cries of "misogyny." > > > > > > > > > >
