--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Unc: > > So this has me wondering whether any counterpart of this > > type of knowledge and teaching has appeared in the TM > > movement. While I was around, certainly no TM teacher > > had ever been trained in how to talk to someone who was > > having enlightenment experiences. Has this changed? > > Does anyone know whether there are a group of teachers > > who *have* been taught how to teach those who are having > > such experiences? > > > > -------On the basis of the vagaries you just put to print I would > > suggest that this set of instructions doesn't exist in the Tibetan > > either except insofar as in your mind. > > > > If you are so sure that such a thing exists then you need to > > supply us credulous dopes with at least a partial list of titles > > of the teadhings so that we may ascertain for ourselve if such > > teachings were ever committed to print. > > With all due respect, I don't "need" to do anything. :-) > > My knowledge of such things comes primarily from my friend > at Naropa. The latest visiting Kempo is from a Tibetan > monastery in Bhutan. I will try to find out the particulars > for you. The teachings he gave there in Boulder, on his one- > day stop, were in Tibetan, translated "on the fly" by exper- > ienced translators there. > > I *have* heard such teachings discussed among other Tibetan > groups in Santa Fe, similarly oral. To be honest, they > were primarily discussed there in the Santa Fe sanghas as > a curiosity, because no one had need of them. :-) > > > My disbelief comes as a result of positing that there is such > > a thing or its equivalent as CC in the Vajrayana. > > That was my "mapping," trying to relate what my friend was > writing to me into TM-speak. > > > For instance, the real analogy in the Vajrayana for enlightenment > > would be ascertaining the Trikaya which would be much more like > < Vedic Cognition. And this would be really just the start of clear > > experience of shunyata. > > > > The only real thing I can think which might be like what you > > mention was always freely available in the Madhiyatmikavatara, > > and that is the description of the bhumis. > > It is possible. Everything I have heard about such teachings > as my friend described in the past has been unfortunately > second-hand. > > > Of course in the Guhyagarbha there are a further five bhumis > > pertaining to Dzogchen that are not considered in the Mahayana. > > This Kempo is from the Dzogchen tradition. > > > Does your friend suggest some other levels perhaps beyond these? > > He was remarkably unforthcoming on details. I'll see if I > can get him to be less so. :-) > > > I laugh at your naivete. I see now why you were a TM teacher, > > because you'll accept any fodder and sell it as high powered > > gasoline for Ferraris. > > Just as I laugh at your consistent assumption that just > because you personally haven't run into something, it > doesn't exist. :-) >
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