---Don't mean to interject in this lively change, but I'll do it anyway since I've been initiated into Surat Shabda Yoga (Charan Singh, 1976). There are 5 mantras in their practice, repeated sequentially coupled with attempting to tune into the Light and Sound. The mantras are names of Rulers of various planes in the subtle dimensions, from gross to subtle. Thus, in a broad sense, this is "tantric"; as opposed to a non-progressive Path which purports to totally bypass (transcend and not "stop" along the way) all dimensions, gross and subtle (examples of these would be Adi Da, Ramana Maharshi, Nisargadatta Maharaj as well as HWL Poonja and collectively, dozens of "Advaitins" in the Tradition of Ramana Maharshi (which is in itself a contradiction since RM did not set up a disciplic succession). At any rate, relating all of this to Ken Wilber's discussion of progressive vs non-progressive paths, various Paths can be categorized according to their degree of progressivity, relating to a. techniques and/or b. philosophy. Ironically, some paths (Dzogchen for example since Vaj's Guru Norbu Rinpoch is in this branch of Buddhism), can be philosophically non-progressive or "immediate transmission" yet have a host of progressively-oriented techniques. MMY would be in the progressive end of the spectrum both as to techniques and philosophy even though he claims to be an Advaita Vedantist. The most prominant "purist" of Advaita Vedanta would be Ramana Maharshi and even more his disciple HWL Poonja who encouraged people to give up all techniques and just "BE". On rare occasions, Ramana Maharshi encouraged people to practice various progressive techniques (such as japa); since these people were apparently not ready for his Self-enquiry.
In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jun 24, 2005, at 5:37 PM, t3rinity wrote: > > > --- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> Tantric mantras manifest in the dimension beyond mind in certain > >> adepts > >> throughout history. That dimension of visionary enjoyment manifests in > >> a specific way--through sound, light and rays. The "sound" aspect is > >> the mantra of that dimension. The idea is that we can reintegrate > >> with > >> that dimension and recapture the enlightenment it's receiver achieved > >> in that dimension. > > > > Total BS in my opinion. > > I'm guessing you've never been initiated properly into a tantra-- this > is the primary principle of transmission. > > > This would mean that no progress could ever be > > made. You would be only repeating the experinces of people in the > > past. Second hand experience. > > Each person is different (in case you hadn't noticed) and no of course > that's not what this means. Being are constantly liberated from tantric > transmission. > > > Btw. this is not Surat Shabd Yoga. > > What on earth are you talking about? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
