---I totally agree! I'm convinced she's the same "Sunyata". I've asked her about 5 times at least to say something - anything at all - regarding her experiences having gone through CC, BC, and the UC; but all she has to say is "Being, Being....". In addition, Lakshmanjoo mentions at least 4 levels of Witnessing while the body is in the dreaming and deep sleep states. The progression of awareness levels he describes involve the degree of "conscious" (in the ordinary sense) participation in the Witnessing. For example, in the lowest level of continuous Pure Consciousness Witnessing, the person is entirely "blank" in deep sleep and is only partially aware in dreaming. If PC is relatively advanced, Witnessing will be "there" upon awakening but there's no recollection of a continuous Witnessing. It's just a wake-up call and the person is Witnessing, and then assumes he/she was Witnessing throughout the dream and deep sleep states. Much higher levels are described by Lakshmanjoo but let's go to the 3-rd eye. Let's take Ramana Maharshi, the Grand-Papa of most Neo-Advaitins (along with Nisargadatta Maharaj). Ramana was well known for continually saying "Self, Self..." and preferred not to engage in discussions regarding relative symptoms of Enlightenment. However, if one reads his recorded statements closely, and thos of Nis. Maharaj, you will find that both had the LIVING FLAME present at their 3-rd eye center continually, 24/7. This is corroborated by the Kriya Yoga Gurus such as Swami Satyeswarananda Giri (initiated me into Kriya Yoga in 1982). The Living Flame is symbolized by the Diwali torch that is lit every year on Arunachala Hill in Nov which can be seen for miles away. Without such indicators, one cannot have stated that he/she has gone through CC, BC, and then into UC (a state that - apparently - involves BOTH: 1. BEING and 2. THE LIMITLESS LIGHT. Without the LIGHT part, one is not EnLIGHTened. End of story. Let's see what Gopi Krishna has to say:
Entirely unprepared for such a development, I was completely taken by surprise; but regaining my self-control, keeping my mind on the point of concentration. The illumination grew brighter and brighter, the roaring louder, I experienced a rocking sensation and then felt myself slipping out of my body, entirely enveloped in a halo of light. It is impossible to describe the experience accurately. I felt the point of consciousness that was myself growing wider surrounded by waves of light. It grew wider and wider, spreading outward while the body, normally the immediate object of its perception, appeared to have receded into the distance until I became entirely unconscious of it. I was now all consciousness without any outline, without any idea of corporeal appendage, without any feeling or sensation coming from the senses, immersed in a sea of light simultaneously conscious and aware at every point, spread out, as it were, in all directions without any barrier or material obstruction. I was no longer myself, or to be more accurate, no longer as I knew myself to be, a small point of awareness confined to a body, but instead was a vast circle of consciousness in which the body was but a point, bathed in light and in a state of exultation and happiness impossible to describe. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > just for fun, this is being said by someone who sets themselves up > > as a petty tyrant on this board, who is incapable of clearly > > articulating themselves on any spiritual topic related to TM, and > > just for fun, writes crap like this. let's ignore him, just for fun. > > > > oh wait...:-) > > Please explain to us why you can't just say > when and where you learned TM and the siddhis. > > Doing so has *nothing* to do with your privacy, > since nothing of any consequence could possibly > be revealed by giving out this information. > > I am *completely* open to the possibility that > you really did learn TM as you claim. But this > behavior on your part just *screams*, "I never > really learned TM and am lying to people here > about having done so." > > Do you really not realize this? > > How could I or anyone else possibly take anything > you say about TM or anything else seriously enough > to discuss it with you when you are basically > saying with your actions, "I am lying to all > of you, every day?" > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <no_reply@> > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 > > > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > the key to understanding the Maharishi is to do his technique, > > not > > > > for 5 or 10 years, but at least 20 years, 2x per day. > > > > > > Just for fun, I should point out that this is being > > > said by someone who is incapable of telling us when > > > and where she was instructed in the TM technique, > > > and by whom. It is also being said by someone who > > > has since claimed to have learned the TM-siddhi > > > techniques. And I'll bet she can't tell us where > > > and when she learned them, either. > > > > > > < Steve Martin voice > "I forgot!" :-) > > > > > > And for the *most* fun, this is being said by the > > > person who only a short while ago was chiding > > > people on this forum for believing in spiritual > > > teachers. Now she's saying that in order to "under- > > > stand" one, they have to do exactly what that > > > spiritual teacher told them to do, and they > > > have to do it for 20 years. > > > > > > "We must respect the other fellow's religion, > > > but only in the sense and to the extent that > > > we respect his theory that his wife is > > > beautiful and his children smart." > > > - H. L. Mencken > > > > > >
