--- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Not quite that simple :-) In the final stages it is possible to 
> > "transcend" for four hours at a time, effortlessly. One sits 
down, 
> > decides how long they will meditate and finishes when they intend 
> > to.
> 
> sounds very blissful, more so than I can possibly imagine. But why 
> would you want to do that? What is the motivation, the benefit? 
> That I don't get.

It's a different paradigm, Jim.  In other traditions,
there is NOT the TM idea that thoughts in meditation
are valuable and an indication that "something good
is happening," and that stress is being released.

In fact, the paradigm is completely the opposite, that
thoughts in meditation are an indication that the
practitioner is simply being lazy, and has not learned
to focus his or her attention.  In such a tradition,
the more time spent in samadhi, the better.

Having practiced both styles of meditation, I can 
attest to the fact that using certain styles of focused
or concentrative meditation, one can pretty much enter
samadhi at will and have it last for twenty minutes,
an hour, or several hours, with no thoughts present.  
For the dyed-in-the-wool TMer, convinced that the 
absence of thoughts indicates an absence of "progress," 
this might not be an admirable thing.  For me, it's more
than admirable, and preferable.  If I'm gonna meditate,
I'd rather spend most if not all of my time in meditation
in the transcendent.

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